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Old 02-26-2016, 07:47 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham View Post
I've just never had an issue...As with any vehicle, it took some time to learn the size, corners, and behavior of the car. Since then, I've put it in more tight-spaces than I can remember, backed up into garages that it "wouldn't fit", and made it through parking lots that appeared unnavigable...I'm not better than anyone else, I just know it's possible.

There's no denying that there's less glass than other cars. And that the spaces to see out of the car (windows), are vertically restricted...but driving doesn't require very much vertical visibility at all. If you compare the car to any other vehicle, you'll find that:

-- Looking to the left is better than nearly all sedans because there's no b-pillar in your face.

-- While looking to the right is compromised by the tiny rear-quarter window; a properly adjusted OSRV mirror in conjunction with the ISRV mirror eliminates the blind spot.

-- Looking out the front is no different than any other car, with the exception of seeing traffic lights at an intersection, and knowing where the corners of the car are. So...stop a little further back.

-- Seeing behind you is probably the toughest angle. But again....properly adjusted mirrors eliminate blind spots. If that's not the case, then they aren't "properly adjusted".

(Seeing out the back of a Z/28 with that big spoiler is worse than the 6th gen...install the wicker-bill....forget it.)

This is not a Malibu or a camry. So there are techniques necessary to enhance sight out of this car that aren't necessary on the boring ones. It's part of the gig: It doesn't mean visibility is bad. It just means the car is shaped different!

BAD visibility...is any HD truck ever. Big passenger vans, cargo vans, flatbeds, semi-trucks, or even light-duty trucks with a trailer. Bad visibility...are some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and other euro supercars with an incredibly low-profile. But people don't complain about those vehicles like there's something wrong with them...they just accept it is what it is, and adapt their driving style.

Now the difference with the Camaro, is that it's a $25,000 car. The population looking at a car in that price range is used to boring cars and sedans with more glass than a terrarium. So most of them probably expect more of the same, and are surprised when they see a car like the Camaro (there are a few others out there) using dramatic styling, and supercar proportions.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh - I really do apologize...but I'm not exaggerating these things, and neither are the people on the first three pages of this thread. Just getting kind of tired of reading things that insinuate we're making it up.
You continue to make the poor visibility argument while you think you are defending it.

Mirrors and cameras (except in the snow and the rain.......and when they get dirty) are all "indirect vision".

Simply this car could have had the performance, the looks and improved visibility if only the had wanted to. A choice.....a simple decision.

But don't think these things are not important. I do not have a Gen6 today because the trunk is too small and visibility is poor and worse than a Gen5...............and I wrote a thesis on developing SAE tools for engineering vehicles for visibility and seating. So I know how it got to be the way it is.
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