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Originally Posted by crankaholic
Just watched Jay Leno's video about his GT350R... and the chief engineer at Ford thinks MRC has significant benefits on the track, so does Ferrari and Porsche apparently. I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why a lot of you seem to think it doesn't. The only reason not to opt for it is custom tuning or a dedicated (as in no street use at all) track car where rules don't allow MRC.
Also, does anyone know if 1LE parts will be sold separately (or as a package) by GM performance? The gen5 1LE added a lot of cool upgrades; going as far as transmission and ZL1 suspension components...
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1) Of course Ford will tout it. It's good! Chevy did the same thing with the ZL1. And they also put MRC in the Z06...But it is possible that they were unwilling to go so far as to sacrifice a degree of ride quality in the pursuit of track performance...The DSSV decision was part experimental, and part using the best track damper on the market...But at no point were they truly worried about the car's ride comfort on the street...because the car had one purpose...and they dedicated themselves to that purpose.
If they really went all out for track performance...truly: no compromises - I don't think they'd be using MRC.
2) They have offered the performance parts off of their variants in the past - I think they will, again.
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Originally Posted by 63falcondude
Square tires wouldn't work.  |
...I think you're joking? Sorry if you are - I can't tell through the text.
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Originally Posted by shaffe
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't almost all of the reviews praise the MRC for allowing the ZL1 to handle so well??? Or were they just praising it bc it was so much better than the GT500 set up lol
EDIT: NVM just pulled up the article all the suspension praise was on the street with the MRC, track stuff was mostly chassis
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There is far more to a "suspension" than the dampers.
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Originally Posted by crankaholic
They didn't have to put MRC on the R if it didn't add to track performance, especially since it's such a track oriented car (even has no rear seats). Same with other manufacturers.
I read... but all those points come down to tuning. If MRC actually responds to adjustments 1000 time per second, it's all down to software tuning... there's no reason it can't replicate how a conventional shock works. Imagine being able to adjust the shocks just by clicking around on the screen vs having to jack up the car or going under the hood/trunk.
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MRC is a closed system utilizing preset and professionally-developed calibration maps. You cannot (and should not be able to) individually control the damper settings. MRC is great at everything - but it is not perfection if a person is attempting to go for ultimate track performance. It's not accurate enough in the mechanical fashion that it allows (or doesn't allow) fluid to flow. Has nothing to do with the accuracy of the software.
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Originally Posted by Waiting46
Scenarios:
1LE gets MRC standard
- breaks too many racing class rules (a fact that has been stated before) and people wont buy it
- Burns through 30-50% of the 1LE "budget" as MRC is already a $1500 factory option
- purists boo that its "not hardcore enough" -- GM loses out on a small subset of sales
1LE does NOT get MRC standard
- Everymen boo as the car isn't "compliant enough" and they either suck it up or buy an SS with MRC
1LE gets MRC as an option
- People on forums like this are annoyed that they sacrificed some of the 1LE "spirit"
- GM has to spend money ensuring that any suspension tweaks work for MRC -- overall 1LE price marginally higher OR "2LE" (with MRC option) with slightly higher price than MRC + 1LE
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True.
Haha
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Originally Posted by aa406079
considering the price of the new forged wheels alone, it would probably be cheaper (though more of a pain in the ass) to retrofit MRC
This would require some plumbing work and hacking the ECU/Driver Control Centre to re-enable the menu and controls for the dampers.
In either case.... we will know in 8 days or so what GM has chosen and these discussions will become moot.
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No plumbing necessary...just the control wires to the shocks...I don't know if the MRC software lives in the ECU, or BCM, or some separate controller.
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Originally Posted by aa406079
Really hope the Recaro's and the suede trim makes a return, I wont buy one with the stock seats. The Shelby 350GT Recaros are amazing but good luck buying them in aftermarket for less than an arm and a leg.
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I really like the Recaro seats, too. I was slightly surprised that they did not offer them as an option from the get-go...but perhaps their reintroduction as an option will be for 2017?
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Originally Posted by crankaholic
GM don't have an engine for a proper Z/28... I see the 1LE taking it's place as the most hardcore N/A track version of the Camaro. That would make sense actually - a base 1LE without all the adjustable doodads that meets all spec racing requirements - and a tech package that will add MRC, NPP, etc... for those that want a 50/50 street/track car  |
The 1LE will not replace the Z/28. Not capable...too expensive.
Funny you brought that up, though..."proper"...I wonder how folks reacted when they put the LT4 into the new Z06...I really don't follow Corvette forums, so I'd be interested to know if the purists were disgusted, or welcoming. Chevy will probably not produce a N/A engine like the LS7, again.....
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Originally Posted by 90503
...Saw a commercial last night for GMC trucks...The thrust of the ad was about the great ride in the truck from the MRC....MRC looks like it's becoming more common perhaps....Not sure it will be marketed as a track upgrade if it's showing up in pick-up trucks for a comfy ride....just sayin'...
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MRC is a brilliant system that makes suspension tuning 1000x easier for street cars and "race bred street cars" alike!