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Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS
First off, "engines that don't excel"? Umm, the Coyote is an awesome engine, then you say the "Boss 302 was a gimickey joke"? It just showed how far behind GM was at that time in chassis engineering on the Camaro and made them get their shit together and make the 1LE and Z28. I get this is a Camaro site, but come on.
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The engine management technologies on Fords are...mundane. A wise friend who knew far more about this than me told me once that Ford engines are good for their power under almost any circumstances...because they aren't smart enough to adjust to the environment. This is where opinion comes into play, hard...I just resonate better with GM's engineering approaches to things. But I'm fully aware that the counter argument would be something along the lines of "Well, on a really hot and humid day the Mustang will continue to develop its advertised power, and the Camaro won't."
The 5.0L engine may be good...but it's already "old" in terms of technology and output...hasn't even been around that long, yet. Their Ecoboost engine outputs more than their V6. Easily bottom percentile in the class. As far as the Ecoboost engine itself...it's great, I just don't understand why they charge more for it.
The ZL1 and 1LE development were well underway by the time the Boss came out. Believe it or not, the 1LE was not a direct "answer" to the Boss at all...it was intended to be an awesome track car built from the scraps of the ZL1 for cheap.
It was convenient that both cars were a similar formula, because it made for some very interesting comparisons...in which the Boss was beaten repeatedly by the far less expensive 1LE. Now, the stage is set...and it is expected that these two cars do battle on the track. If not for the 5th gen Camaro, or the "shock and awe" of the ZL1....I have a hard time believing there would be a GT350 with a flat-plane racing motor...
And I think the base Boss 302 was a joke because it, like the base GT350 was a "track car" without any necessary track equipment, like coolers, etc. And it was gimmicky because of that stupid freaking "red key". The Laguna Seca version, as I said, was good...I also have been around a track in one; very fast. It was just way to expensive for what it was. And then they killed it.
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Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS
Overall the '11-'14 Mustang GT was a much better car then the 5th gen Camaro SS, and I owned both. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Now, when it comes to the new cars, the tables have turned completely...
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When the 5th generation Camaro came out, Ford was still rocking a 300hp V8, a 500hp supercharged GT500...and no sort of track wards attention whatsoever. They improved the live rear axle as much as they possibly could - but it was still a live rear axle all the way up until 2015....Really? And the interior...my brother still has a 2007...good Lord, it made my old Cobalt look luxurious.
The 5th generation Camaro was heralded as the "reclaimer" of the class, in some fashion or another. Lifting it to a level not thought of...the ZL1 alone was touted by nearly all the magazines as the first of it's kind in the pony car class...the car that all the rest should aspire to.
As I said - while I'm uninterested in the Mustang, I don't "hate" it, or anything. But it was most certainly not a better overall car than the Camaro. Not by a long shot.
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Originally Posted by Bhobbs
I'm not sure how the 5.2 Voodoo doesn't excel. Not only did Ford figure out how to build such a large displacement FPC V8, they put it in a car starting at $50,000, which is impressive as well.
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I was not referring to the 5.2L engine. It is unique, and it performs well at the job it was intended for.
I never intended to argue about my person inclinations to drive or not drive something...nor engineering philosophy...So I'll leave my end here, and get on with the discussion about this impending 1LE.