[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You are making my point. Have you seen a backup camera work well when it's raining or snowy? I have and it's about worthless.

No, I wasn't pulled too far ahead to see the stop light. But with my head a 1/4" from the headliner, and stopping normally, I can't see the stop light without dipping my head. Sure shorter folks will not have this problem. But I'm only 6' tall.

And, no, the tiny porthole of a side window makes a head check VERY difficult if not impossible to do so quickly. And blind spot detection? LOL, I have that on my car now.

So by your own statements, if you need sensors and cameras to drive your car safely, you have just made the case that the visibility is poor.

Thank you!

Oh, and no phobia of technology at all. I've used it and fully understand what it does AND it's limitations. But I don't like to HAVE to use it in order to operate a motor vehicle.

Again, I love that you guys love this car so much you are willing to make the trade off for styling. But every time we have this discussion, folks start chiming in with back up camera, lane departure warning, blind spot alert. All nice technologies. But just admit the visibility is poor. No one can, with a straight face, say it isn't bad. You just don't find it to be a problem.

No, I'm definitely not making your point. You've come to a website dedicated to the fans and owners of the car to rant about something we all know, that's been beaten to death. The car is already built. Everyone here is has gotten past this or they wouldn't be here. You still have a problem with it and I can't make that point for you.

It's a fact that the car doesn't have the best visibility in its class. Everyone can see that it favors styling over trying to be everything for everyone. This is a driver's car, not a hatch back with wheel hop and the exhaust note of a Camry. The car is not for everyone. Just like a C7 would be difficult to manage for someone morbidly obese, certain people are going to find things more challenging with the Camaro.

Either this is a problem for you or it isn't. For me at 5'11" 200lbs, I have ZERO problems with feeling "squeezed into a coffin" or seeing out of the car. I actually like the tighter feeling as it makes it feel more like a sports car than a performance sedan. Adjusting your mirrors is a given. Do that, and then the tech handles the rest - that's why it's there. I have a backup camera now and I only have to wipe it off with my finger in the winter when the car is caked in shit and overdue for a wash. It works fine in the rain - but I admit that I haven't tried the Camaro's camera in the rain. Assuming it's the same, it won't be a problem for me. I definitely did not buy this car for its utility and I don't plan on driving it in the rain if I can help it. As long as the camera lens and your blind spot sensors are wiped clean, they should work fine. If they don't, that's a technical problem and I have no problem with anyone bitching about something like that.

I'm not a Chevy fanboy or a GM apologist either. If the visibility is such a problem for you, don't buy it and move on to something that suits you better.