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Originally Posted by LilAndyG23
Of course it's not maxed out, but the way it was made to sound was that it's time to
Move on to the next. I always like to use nascar as an example, they make 850 hp out of a 5.8L naturally aspirated. And that isn't even the most of it. Formula one does it out of a much smaller engine. Forced induction, of course. But the limits are almost endless when we talk about making power. But the one of the best and truest sayings ever is there is no replacement for displacement!
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As has been stated before, there is a different between being able to build a one off fully built Coyote engine (I read an article where they were pushing over 500BHP from one) and something that has emission goals, fuel economy goals, and cost goals.
Not sure what a NASCAR engine has to do with the Coyote engine... or a Formula one engine but here we go.....
Current Formula one rules calls for a 1.6L 90 degree V-6 engine revving to no higher then 15,000rpms with turbo chargers and they use a hybrid system as well........
I think you were talking about the older V-8 and oven older V-10 engines used in Formula one. They came from 2.4L 90 degree V-8 engines in which some teams were running as high as 20,000rpms, those V-8 engines could exceed 700BHP @ 19,000rpms. Before that was a 3.0L V-10 engine and eventually were making north of 900BHP....
NASCAR runs 5.8L OHV V-8 engines, they were able to produce (with heavy restrictions) as high as 900BHP at about 9,000rpms revving to 10,000rpms (and maybe a bit above that market).
However none of these engines have anything to do with OEM Coyote in a $35,000 sports coupe.....
Even based on Ford engineers they had to make compromises so that they can bring the engine into production on the cheap (produce it on the same assembly lines as the modular motors). This is why they went with such a narrow bore on the engine (old Ford 302s had a bore of 4.000 inches and a stroke of 3.000 inches).
In other words this engine has to be able to meet durability targets set for it based on how it is built. If you go with lighter rotating mass you can spin at higher rpms (like the Voodoo engine) however that does come at an increase cost (GT350 starts at $50,000 so it can eat the cost).
This is why I said what will Ford do seeing as the 2016 Camaro SS has the same mass as the 2015 Mustang GT (base weight with manual is 3,705 pounds) while producing 20 more BHP and 55 more ft-lbs of torque. Not that someone can't take a 2015 Mustang GT and in the after market push horsepower and torque up higher. Just like it isn't as if someone can't take a 2016 Camaro SS and in the after market push horsepower and torque higher as well. For $10,000 LPE has a package that pushes the LT1 engine to 550BHP while keeping AFM on the engine. They also have a 600BHP and 630BHP package for the 6.2L LT1 engine, if you want to look at the after market for these engines.
I guess the other thing that Ford can do and should do in order to push the Coyote engine further from the factory is add direct injection.