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Originally Posted by ztwentypoop
I've been in corporate sales for 19 years. I have no college degree and started as a temp doing data entry. I have been in a sales leadership position for the last 15 years and hold a VP position in a fortune 50 company. Please help me understand, what the degree brings to the table that is going to make you a better performer in your current position than you already are? From where I sit, if you are good at what you do and I want to retain your services, I will offer you that raise whether you have a degree or not. A college degree does not equal a better employee or ensure any increase in production, in my experience.
How much did you spend to get the degree? Is the raise you are getting going to cover the cost of the education it seems you felt was required in order to get it?
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LOL if you are a VP at a Fortune 50 company you know the answer to this......unless you are defending your lack of degree. I have this conversation all the time with people...............that don't have degrees.
Getting a college degree if nothing else shows you can apply yourself to a long term, difficult task and deliver. The longer term view is, at least in my field, it teaches and trains a technical thought process and problems solving skills that are required for the job.
Yes, these can be obtained with on the job training, but all things being equal why wouldn't I hire the college graduate over a non college graduate?? And in today's job market, you pretty much have that choice as an employer. My company for example requires a 4 year engineering degree to even be considered for an engineering position. So does GM, Ford, FCA, etc.
The reason, as you know, that he is getting the raise now is that his degree makes him much, much more marketable. The OP can go out and look for a job and complete for a job where the degree is the minimum requirement. Just being good at what you do and not having a degree in many fields will not land you a job. But of course you already know that.
So you are correct, without the degree, his employer could simply pay the OP for delivery. But his employer doesn't have to worry about departure because OP is less marketable.
30 years ago, I hired in to GM and yes there were engineers without degrees. They worked there way off the board from drafting/design to engineering positions. That simply isn't possible now.
Oh, and OP, go drive an ATS with the V6 and L4 turbo. You can make your decision based on that comparison. No need to wait. The V6 will be slightly better in the Camaro, but the L4 will be a real good comparison on how fun the car can be. Mrs. Number 3's ATS is 2.0T with AWD and it's quite fun.