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Originally Posted by rocket403
Looks like the Hellcat has a better stopping distance than the ZL1 102' from 60mph
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All kinds of ignorance in this statement. The only head-to-head comparison showed the ZL1 stopped in 100ft vs 109ft for the Failcat.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...cat/specs.html
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Originally Posted by rocket403
When the mag's or people that have taken delivery of the Hellcats take them and run 11's what are you going to say then, as of right now Edmonds has run a 11.4 at the track.
So you what you are saying is that you don't think the car will make the times posted by Dodge?
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Edmunds
never ran 11.4 at the track. Please stop spreading lies. Edmunds ran 12.5 @ 118.8mph in a manual transmission car.
http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challen...road-test.html
The 11.4 you're talking about was the onboard estimate when they drove the pre-production press car at a media event. Real world times have been nowhere near this number.
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs
automatic
Car&Driver: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs
automatic
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec; 1/4mile 12.0 @ 124.8mph; 4458lbs
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Originally Posted by shaffe
Hey Joe, just got ask 2 things. IF we start seeing those times come in from the Hellcat from real owners what will you say.
Also say when the Z06 gets released to the media, and just say they can't run the 10.95 on street tires that GM says it will run are you gonna have the same attitude towards the Z06 or no bc GM didn't make a big deal about it like Dodge did?
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Won't speak for Joe but marketing numbers are meaningless. Under ideal conditions with a supposedly stock car and average driver we achieved XX. Doesn't mean much to me. Independent reviews will shed some light on what consumers can expect when cars start being delivered. Some owners will slightly exceed reviewer times and some will be the same or slower.
Take the ZL1 for example.
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph; 4051lbs
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs
The average magazine review based on results above ran 12.22 @ 117.8mph. The ZL1 fast list on Camaro5 shows a distribution from 11.6 @ 120mph to 12.6 @ 112mph with a mean of 12.10 @ 117.7mph.
People love to trash independent reviews and say real world results will be faster. That may be true in 0.001% of cases but when you look at the "hero-times" fast-list posted on Mustang, Challenger, Camaro forums, the average "hero time" falls within one-tenth and 1 mph of independent reviews.