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Originally Posted by AEP11

10's of thousands of 392's?? Highly doubt it.

Yes, there are nearly 20,000 392 Challengers on the street since 2011.

Originally Posted by AEP11

Every drag racer isnt a member on forums.

Which is why I averaged the times of the drag racers that DO post their times. How else would you gather times to compare? The average based on actual owners is 12.98 @ 109.4 mph. The average based on professional reviews is 12.85 @ 112.1 mph. Pretty consistent, no?

Originally Posted by AEP11

Just bc the Z28 isnt a "drag car" doesnt mean you can use that as an excuse for shitty drag times.

Z/28: 0-60 in 4.1; 12.38 @ 117.0 mph

Please elaborate on how this is "shitty" for a 3,800lb car with a manual transmission and no launch control putting 455hp/420ft-lbs to the ground.

Originally Posted by AEP11

The GTR isnt a drag car either but it shits and gets.

It also has AWD, launch control, a DCT, and more power (470hp/450ft-lbs to the ground). What does this have to do with the Hellcat?

Originally Posted by AEP11

The Z28 has 305 RACE tires. I doubt its having a hard time hooking up with a stock LS7. I promise you the 392 has a harder time with its crap 255 tires.

So Dodge can't engineer a car to accommodate wider tires? They can't choose ANY manufacturer to provide tires for them? Dodge cuts corners and that's somehow the Camaro's fault? Please explain.

Originally Posted by AEP11

Again ive already said i know it was built for the strip BUT im personally comparing strip perf. I stated that in strip perf the Z28 & 392 is close and damn sure not leagues apart. At most its .5 seconds and 5mph. Thats not leagues my friend. Thats a drivers race.

You mean to say a 0.5 sec ET and 5mph trap is a "drivers race"? The Z/28 is trapping 117 mph consistently. That is 172ft/sec. Which equates to 86ft ahead of the Challenger. That is two school buses and pulling my friend.

Originally Posted by AEP11

I understand you wanting them to be leagues apart considering price,hp, and weight.

I don't want them to be leagues apart. I don't want to frame any conversation around a Z/28 at a drag strip! That is not the intended purpose of this car. You can balk at the performance of the Cayman S at the drag strip too - that's not what the car was created for. Put it on a track and it changes everything.

Originally Posted by AEP11

Now on a road course the 392 shouldnt even insert the key to listen to the radio much less race it. They're not even playing the same sport much less the same league.

Originally Posted by AEP11

The 15 392 will run what the z28 runs in the 1/4 and thats pretty pathetic.

Let me say it again, the Z/28 was NOT designed to be a drag car. There is the COPO for that. If you think it is fair to compare the Z/28 and 392 Challenger at the drag strip then it is only fair we compare them on a road course too.

You think an extra 15hp in the scat pack is really going to shave 0.5 sec off the E.T. and make it trap 5mph faster? Please elaborate.

Originally Posted by AEP11

The z28 & zl1 should both be consistent 11sec bone stock cars but they arent

According to whom? Neither car is ideal for the strip. Chevrolet set out to build a powerful, balanced, well rounded automobile in the ZL1 and they succeeded. The Z/28 was tailor made for the track to run with GTR's and 911t and it does that exceptionally well. I realize the Challenger ONLY competes in a straight-line, and that's all Challenger/Charger enthusiasts have to hold on to. But Chevrolet, and now Ford with the S550 Mustang, is moving into driver-oriented, performance cars that compete with the rest of the world. Dodge seems stuck in the past with their "put a bigger engine in it" philosophy.

Originally Posted by AEP11

Again if dodge is advertising the 392 as the same time the ZL1 gets then the HELL CAT with at least 150 more hp is going to literally give it hell.

In a straight line, I should hope so. If Dodge fails to do this then they are even more hopeless than they appear. But will it be the better car? The GT500 was faster in every straight-line test vs the ZL1 but the ZL1 was consistently deemed the winner as it was the better car.

The other question will be price. How much is Dodge going to charge for the 392 dung pack and hell kitten? They realized they priced the SRT's too high and released the "core" models to better compete. Sadly this hasn't translated into competitive sales for the Challenger.

Originally Posted by rocket403

the 392 is faster in the 1/4 than the Camaro SS now and Next year

Not according to AEP11 - it's apparently a "drivers race" if ET's are within 0.5 sec and traps within 5 mph.

Challenger SRT8
C&D: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.9 1/4mile at 114mph, 4203lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.6, 13.0 1/4mile at 111.3mph, 4260lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.7, 12.9 1/4mile at 111.0mph, 4257lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.1mph, 4257lbs

Camaro SS
Motor Trend: 13.1 sec @ 110.8 mph
Car and Driver: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Road & Track: 13.0 sec @ 110.7 mph
Inside Line: 13.1 sec @ 110.4 mph

Originally Posted by rocket403

the Hellcat is going to be faster than the ZL1 even with 600hp

In a straight-line only, and will cost considerably more than the ZL1.

Originally Posted by rocket403

The Camaro at this point is faster round the track than the 392, we need to wait and see if the changes made have a better impact on track times for the Hellcat and SRT/RT

This is what I think is absurd. What on God's green earth makes you think the Challenger is going to beat a $37,000 1LE around a track? Let's start there before we bring the ZL1 and Z/28 into the track discussion.

Originally Posted by rocket403

For me I follow the 1/4 mile times more than the track times, I raced more times than I can count in the 1/4.

As I stated above, of course you do. It is all you have. You fail to realize that GM is building some of the fastest track machines on the planet for considerably less than what the competition offers. They are driver-oriented cars. What Dodge product can you say that about?