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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl
Did you read the post I quoted?
If you can get 20% gains from a tune only, then the engine is not topped out from the factory. How you feel about what people will do with the engine doesn't change that fact.
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Having a blast, why do you ask?
It is "topped out" for the difficult combination of durability, emissions and fuel economy. Yes OEMs continue to tweak and improve over time. But the LS3 hasn't changed since launch.
For me, I compare what the OEM is able to deliver. I know others look at what they can do with it. I had an engineer that worked for me years ago that bought one of the very first C6 Z06s. Drove it home and put a cam in it. And I literally mean he drove it home and put a cam in it. A GM engineer knowingly gave up his warranty on the first day.
In the end though the magazines won't compare two cars tweaked by customers they will compare two cars delivered from the factory. That is the battle I want GM to win with the Mustang.
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Originally Posted by KMPrenger
I know you and I have gone back and forth on this a few times...and I'm not really disagreeing with you. But I still think there is a chance we could see the SS at just a hair under 3,600 lbs IF the next gen Camaro goes on the same chassis as the ATS. (short wheel base...if it goes on the longer wheel base version...then no)
The 2010 Camaro SS weighed what...3,850 lbs? The 2010 Camaro V6 weighed 3,720 if I remember correctly. That's 130 lbs. Just for fun lets say 150lb difference. ATS V6 weighs 3,460 lbs. (according to this article.) Add 150 lbs to that and you get 3,610 lbs.
So I do think it is possible. In reality, what I hope to see is something around 3,600 lbs. 3,650 or less. If its closer to 3,700 I'll be disappointed. If the V6 (or turbo 4) is over 3,500 again I'll be disappointed. I don't see any reason why they would have to use exotic materials to hit this mark, unless the Cadillac is already using such materials to hit that weight. (The base on that car is 3,315 by the way)
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The sense check will be the coupe ATS. If that 4 cylinder model weighs under 3300 pounds there will be a shot at a sub 3600 pound SS.
As we've discussed I hope you are right and I'm wrong.