[Norm Peterson]

Whether you realize it or not, I'm trying to help you out.

Originally Posted by Nole_85

Ford would be sued if the car will not do 200 mph.

You can't prove a negative, and would not be uncontestable evidence even if you could. Sorry.

Besides, tell me how many owners of either car have been on Da Ring or any other road course.

Stick around and try not to be such a rabid fanboy and you'll find folks who do exactly that. Not necessarily the 'Ring, as that's out of reach of most folks.

The street and strip are all that matters.

Edited for clarity.
Maybe that's all that matters to you. That's OK. Really.

Originally Posted by Nole_85

Wow, three whole seconds for a car with bigger tires, more camber, softer brake pads, IRS.................that was purpose built for a road course that owners are having to do changes to drive it on the street versus a car with a solid axle.

Don't whine about what the other car has, it does not make yours any better (and might even get in the way of you making it better)..

At 120 MPH three seconds is half a football field and I doubt it was pulling 120 at the stripe.

Math class is now in session.

4.1 miles = 21,648 feet
3 minutes = 180 seconds
Average speed = 21648/180 = 120.x feet per second
3 seconds at 120.x fps = . . . . wait for it . . . 360+ feet.
How long is your football field again?

I'll always run the numbers before I post them up. Doing so here was nothing out of the ordinary for me (ask around).

The ZL1 lost at Willow Springs. Still behind after 3 laps.

Sure, you can always cherry-pick one or two results. Somebody somewhere in a ZL1 has probably beat a GT500 in a drag race, but it's not of enough interest to me to chase all over the internet to find it.

How many owners are swapping out the brake pads, modifying the splitter, tires wearing out prematurely? I'd rather have a car that comes with brake pads and tires like stones. That gives me the option of buying really good equipment for the type of racing I choose to do.

Owners can't use it on the street. There are laws. It's bad enough with these stupid little import drivers without a bunch of people my age trying to prove they are Dale Earnhardt. The GT500 handles plenty well for the street and is impressive on a drag strip. That what people want.

If you've never driven on the street with more aggressive pads than OE, you simply don't know what you're talking about. You don't even have to be driving highway-speed-limit fast to notice the difference.

"Tires like stones" have no business being on a high performance car.

Yes, the GT500 does have fairly strong handling/cornering credentials. I've got GT500 wheels on my GT for a reason.

Back when I had my 99 and 01 Cobras nobody talked about handling. It was "no replacement for displacement". The Terminators changed all that. People today are no different. The overwhelming majority buy what they like as far as looks, brand and straight line performance. The majority of ZL1 owners would trade what the 2013 GT500 has in a pico-second.

This one point is probably the one that bothers me more than any other - you are assuming that your preferences must also apply to me, that I have no choice but to be a drag racer who takes corners only because it is occasionally necessary.

Majority does not equal everybody. Maybe you never had any interest in cornering. That's OK too. Just don't assume that everybody else feels exactly the way you do. FYI there have been cornering oriented forums and whole sites devoted to cornering going at least as far back as your ownership of those two cars. My own interest in cornering is conveniently measured in decades . . . even while the original muscle cars were duking it out on the streets and at the strip.

No face-saver at all. . . . . Look at the volume of videos on Youtube. All street and drag strip racing.

At or toward the end of a post makes it a face saver. Otherwise you could mention it first and get it out of the way as common knowledge. No, I guess you wouldn't find very many road course videos mixed in with drag racing and street racing. Try different search terms or whatever it is you do to find stuff on youtube.

All the ZL1 has to show it is better than the 2013 GT500 are a few lap times only slightly better on "AVERAGE" from mostly European magazine writers in this country. I'll take the volume of what I see on Youtube as a better presentation of which is a better car.

It's also small consolation to have the praise of some mag writer after you get wrung up in a drag race.

I get it - one of the reasons you don't like the ZL1 is because it rates better than your car does outside of your world of drag racing. Would you put more faith in the results and conclusions of a handling comparison between these two cars put on by "Drag Illustrated"?


Norm