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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Actually road & track ran a 12.9 with the zl1.

Yeah I forgot about the GT-R comparo.

That is definitely a horrible time for the zl1, but so is a 12.3 for a 2013 gt500. Listen, i understand what you're getting at, in some situations the zl1 will win against a poorly driven gt500, but the term "drivers race," as it is understood by the majority of the car community, means a close race with similar driving in equal conditions. Comparing best times, average times, and worst times, there is a .5-.7 difference between the two cars as far as the magazines are concerned. 11.6 vs 12.1, 11.9 vs 12.4, 12.3 vs 12.9 are the numbers i used. That is a huge difference in the quarter. I ran 13.3 in my car stock and a few mags ran 13.1-13.3. Now if i said a stock 2005 sti and 2010 ss were a drivers race, this forum would go up in flames, but the difference there is even smaller than the cars this thread is about...

I'm going to hold off judgement on what defines a horrible time for a GT500 until more than 3 rags post times or until some actual owners run it. The only way that is a horrible time is if mid 11s is the norm for the GT500. I'm not so sure that is going to be the case yet. Come on now mr. economist, you don't have a representative sample with only 3 data points. My only point is that the average driver is not going to be able to crank out mid 11s in a 660HP car; that's a lot of car to handle. And the fact that two of the rags posted 12.2 and 12.3 provides some evidence for that point.

In regards to your STi comment, it should't go in flames but I know it would too.