[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

Because there's a limit to what they can do with the current chassis, and considering it is extremely likely there will be an all new (or at least mostly new) chassis for the 2015 model year, it doesn't make sense to spend a huge amount of money on the outgoing chassis. And I doubt it really cost them much to increase the power output. We're talking about an overbore and off the shelf components (TVS2300, Ford GT cams).

These are the facts, most of which guys like JusticePete like to ignore:

1. In the only head to head test, the 2012 GT500 beat the 2012 Boss. Yes, the GT500 doesn't brake or handle as well as the Boss. JUST LIKE the ZL1 wouldn't brake as well or handle as well as a Camaro that had the ZL1 suspension and brakes but a lighter non supercharged engine. If you want 550-650 supercharged horsepower you are going to pay a weight penalty, which (with identical brakes and suspension) is going to translate into a braking and handling penalty. That is a fact, and is the same for both the Camaro and the Mustang.

2. The 2013 makes more power, but puts around the same amount of torque to the ground. This means better overall acceleration without increased traction issues, because you can hold gears longer and avoid as many up and downshifts.

3. The 2013 has better brakes, one of the reasons the 2012 GT500 isn't more faster than the Boss.

4. The 2013 has more aggressive suspension, another reason the 2012 GT500 isn't more faster than the boss.

5. The 2013 has improved downforce, yet another reason its performance will be increased vs. the Boss (and vs. the 2012 GT500).

6. The 2013 has a torsen LS, yet another reason its performance will be increased vs. the 2012 GT500.

7. The 2013 has improved engine, supercharger, transmission, and differential cooling, yet another reason road course performance will be improved vs. the 2012 GT500.

Does JusticePete think the 2013 GT500 will be faster than a 2012 GT500 on a road course? Here's what he says, direct cut and paste: "not much if at all."

Does anyone really think that is a reasonable conclusion, based on the points I have outlined above?

What I see is your desperation to prove to yourself what you want to believe while you ignore the hard data an independent source developed running the range of Mustangs, on the same track, on the same day with the same driver. Every time I talk SOLELY about the Mustangs, you run away from the reality of the data and hide behind a Mustang vs Camaro article. Nothing that a Camaro does or doesn't do changes the Mustang Data. It doesn't matter how loud you type or how often you type it. What I also see is your need to be here on a Camaro forum to puff your chest, to bluster and scream my dad can beat up your dad.

Will the GT500 have superior tires to the BOSS LS -- Nope, no R compound tires. No increase in tire contact patch. Not to worry, GT5Junkie sprinkled Magic Mustang Traction Dust on the yet to be built with no data available from any track 2013 GT500 and it will hold in the turn 50 MPH faster.

The BOSS LS uses a well engineered brace with a rear seat delete to triangulate the monocoque to improve suspension function. Not to worry, GT5Junkie sprinkled Magic Mustang Monocoque Dust on the yet to be built no data available from any track 2013 GT500 and it is as solid as titanium brick.

The harder you corner in a three link suspension the greater the lift on the inside rear wheel which limits traction and ability to apply power coming out of a turn. GT5Junkie sprinkled Magic Mustang Anti-Matter Dust to suspend the laws of motion and physics on the yet to be built no data available from any track time 2013 GT500 so no matter how fast you corner the inside rear wheel will not lift.

We all know that you are a huge fan of the Mustang and the yet to be built 2013 GT500. That's cool. We don't mind. I am looking forward to my first 2013 GT500 drive On the other hand, do you really think you are going to come to Camaro5 to prove yours is bigger than ours? You must have inhaled too much Magic Mustang Dust. The nice men in their white coats are here to take you home to a nice safe Mustang forum where they will all love you.

Bye GT5Junkie. You were right all along. Enjoy your ride home We hope to see you soon