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Old 10-22-2010, 12:45 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by CombatVet0311 View Post
the simple fact of the matter is, cars aren't supposed to accelerate when you press the brakes or let of the throttle, and no it's not "media hype", I easily reproduced my mother's claim of unintended acceleration within 20 min of driving her corolla myself.

Unless somehow we are both experiencing some sort of vertigo or sensory overload, the car intermittently surges forward sometimes. It almost feels like it could be a problem with the ecu programming itself or some kind of calibration error with the electronic throttle body.
The NHTSA hasn't been able to reproduce any of the out of control throttle conditions, and the testing on recoverable black boxes from claimed unintended acceleration cases so far have all shown that operator error or the floormat/sticky throttle was the culprit (which were fixed under recall). Operator error was the primary cause. So that's where the media hype claim is coming from. If you can reproduce this condition so easily- you need to get this car on a flatbed and get it to the NHTSA immediately. Not to Toyota.

So an entire team of scientist and engineers can't reproduce this but you easily can in your Mom's Corolla?

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I agree with what someone else wrote, Toyota isn't any better than Ford, GM, etc. at least for the last decade. By all indications it's really roughly equal, but the perception is that they are largely better based upon marketing and a view of history that doesn't allow for change.

I still think Toyota's press to be #1 in the world so quickly is what's leading to these issues. Their quality can't keep up with their growth.

It's also pretty clear American cars have a quality perception gap on the world market. That's got to be fixed because the Big 3 can't make it in today's world by only selling to Americans.

As an example, the other vehicle in the "world big 3" is VW. America is sort of lukewarm on VWs, but in much of the world they consider VWs to be more reliable than American cars. The Brits were surveyed recently and rated VW electrics to be "very good" and by all that's holy there must be a marketing campaign and a half to make anyone think of VW electrics as "very good". They're still getting nostalgia credits for beetles AFAIK. I recently read that in the UK, the Ford Mondeo was rated last on the list for reliability and #1 was a Skoda?
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