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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1
Dude...what is your expectation for a 3800-3900 lb vehicle that starts at 30k?
.1 second difference isnt competitive? any revision whatsoever will make it surpass the 2011 mustang GT.
The camaro should handle far better than the mustang GT? so you are saying it should also handle far better than an M3 for less than half the price?
Just because the camaro has IRS doesnt mean it should automatically outhandle/turn better times than the mustang. Yes IRS is better but in this case not good enough to overcome nearly 300 pounds when the two cars are almost identical in strait line performance. I really dont undertand the point you are trying to make when the camaro has superb handling for a 38-3900 lb car in this price range.
You either dont think the mustang or M3 is very good and/or you dont realize what you are saying...
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My expectation? Let's get a couple things straight. No Camaro SS starts at $30k. A Base 1SS is $31,995. Any revision huh? What? Any revision without a complete redesign will put it on the same level as the Mustang. It won't be out handling it unless it loses a lot of weight in combination with a stiffer suspension which will compromise ride quality just a bit. It'll be one or the other. The second one more or less. Far better was in response to the others posters post. And you know what as long as you bring that up...yes it should. GM set out to build the better car and they missed the mark.
Far better then the M3 for half the price? No not far better then the M3. but as good as the M3 for half the price...certainly. Ford did it with a SRA. When it can out handle the Mustang then GM can start looking at an M3 for competition. Why shouldn't it out handle and turn in better times with a system more advantageous in this area of performance versus against one that isn't?
GM had their priorities slightly skewed when developing this car. They figured the advantage in ride quality would be matched in the advantage in handling against the Mustang. However Ford didn't sit still and as a result the system that could of been better overall, really only proved to be marginally better in an area that isn't most desirable in a performance car.
The Manual cars are almost identical in a drag race. The L99 get's walked even by a auto GT.
The Mustang is GREAT. The M3 is even better. You and a few other Camaro guys don't seem to understand that the Camaro isn't as good as you perceive it to be. Brand loyalty issues. Problem is you will never admit Ford did a better job with a system that really should not be better.