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Old 01-13-2010, 05:06 PM   #32
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‘we see and understand things not as they are but as we are’. This statement is true since humans perceive things differently to each other, each slightly different than the one before. This logic can be applied to anything that is open to perception, is there anything not open to perception...???from something as simple as interpreting song lyrics to something as big as believing in god.

Lets have a subject A, Subject A is a teenager with a grudge against the world. As subject A is listening to the radio the words ‘have you ever been hated or discriminated against?’ come up and subject A thinks that the songwriter is a genius. Now lets have a subject B, subject B is a successful businessman and upon hearing the same lyrics as subject A he thinks that the song writer is pathetic and angry. These two completely different ideas came about by the same stimulant but due to the way that the subjects were themselves they thought differently of the song writer.

Two different subjects attend a religious speech and the speech giver is giving proof of god. Subject A is religious and Subject B is atheist. When the speech giver says that the world is too perfect to have just spontaneously come into existence Subject A agrees without arguing while Subject B is reluctant and even angered by a claim that is to him completely outrageous. Remove the religious speech giver and put in an atheist speech giver saying that the world is not perfect and can easily have come into existence of its own accord. To this subject A is angered and subject B agrees.

‘as we are’ also includes what we know so far which has a deep impact on what we will perceive something to be, there are animated movies and advertising slogans and art items that are created based on audiences intended. To achieve greater impact and therefore sales, there is innuendo or in some cases blatant target specific material within the same frame of information... I am not specifically targeting the subliminal messages either. Some of it appeals to children for it's artistic qualities and or humor, and some of it will be revealing if not outright erogenous or intimate by design...of course these all exist in standard photo movies as well, it just seems (my perception) to be more prevalent in animated shows... for example: people who have not done their homework on electric and hybrid cars believe that they are better to the environment then a normal car when In fact they harm the environment more then fueling an Hummer H2 for a few years. This harm comes about due to the way the batteries are made and disposed of. The person who knows this would buy a classic American muscle car over a Toyota prius any day seeing as the prius would then have no advantages to it over the American muscle. Even though in truth the person driving the American muscle car he may still be seen as a higher contributor to the global warming issue then a person driving a Prius

A man arguing with his grandson about mortgage laws says that George bush has made it so that a citizen cant claim his mortgage interest as a deductable. The grandson firmly does not give up and come back to the grandfather sometime later with proof that the deductable can be made. The man admitted to being misinformed yet got into the same argument again a few months later. This example show how perception can be shaped in a way that is so profound even we can no longer control it even with evidence of being wrong. Our minds eventually convince us of being right again despite the facts. This is in my opinion (perception) simply a case of being mis-informed, or lazy, or an ego'ist... someone told me wrong but I trust their word so it is.... or I know this is what it is since it was this way twenty years ago...or this is what I think and you can't convince me otherwise... "I'm Right."

All these examples have had to do with perception through seeing or hearing...touching, tasting, smelling, etc... An example of different views on something moral would be the following. A dog is lying on the ground in the middle of the street. Two people see it. Person one convinces person two to move it. As they are moving it the dog dies. Person two thinks that they killed it so moving it was a bad thing. Person one thinks that they were trying to help the dog so it is a good thing. This example shows clearly our lack of understanding and definition of what good and bad truly is giving the human mind room for different views.


done the draft which is due tomorow, seems broken up though any advice
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Originally Posted by Iwantone2 View Post
uh-oh...I was afraid somebody would bring up the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument.
Nature vs Nurture is very relavent... I had a puppy that we picked up as a child in Mississippi, only male dog in a litter of thirteen... he would bark at his sisters to leave his food bowl alone while they ate, and therefore miss his meal... same sire, same bitch, same human family, same environment... Male dominanace was a trait he was born with... it wasn't taught, he didn't see it in his enviroment, in fact, he saw the opposite as his mother would not let the sire near the puppies...NATURE...
Twins reared apart with the same careers or life tracks... are stories most of us have heard... Did Nurture change their lives or did nature direct their outcomes...????

I certainly do not know the answers, but it sure makes you sit back and think...

Do we as humans see blue the same as others see blue... maybe what I see as blue is what you see as green, but since we see it in our own manner, and we were taught what it is, based on what we see, then our perception is our reality...

most of the aforementioneed items were related to selective beliefs... I want it to be so, therefore I look at it as such... I'm green so the green efforts and cars are better and the smog creating gas guzzeling Camaro drivers are evil... I must key their cars...As was mentioned in another thread, much of this is the fault of shady science, science bent on trying to achieve grant money from Gov or private sources... publish or perish...

Perception can also be affected by knowledge and experience...

If an average person happens upon a bad wreck, and the occupant of the wrecked vehicle is bleeding severly from a scalp wound, their perception of the outcome for this occupant may not be good. A trained responder would see a relatively minor injury despite the blood loss and look elsewhere for more substantial life threatening injuries...

A final thought,.... is what is correct, correct because the mass believes it or because it is what it is... correct... At one time it was thought the world was flat... sail to the end and you'll fall off... We know this to not be true now, but the majority believed it and so it was correct...
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