[Patriot Motorsports USA]

Originally Posted by djctoto

Just some clarifications on this.

Yes I was there and did request an actual dyno plot which I was told would be sent to me but never came. The only data I got was the photo or the screen shot which I referenced.

Secondly I'm not complaining about the real results that were just achieved and fully documented. In fact I'm quite happy with them and believe they represent what should be expected from the car with the modifications done to it.

Wait... In your first sentence you say you did not get a dyno plot and yet, this is the first time I have ever heard a word that you wanted one since you were there taking photos of it. You can email my brother, he will send it to you... he still has it. So your still unnamed tuner can see where you are changing the standard yet holding us accountable for your lack of similar power you agreed "was well documented", as you were there, we all took photos.

Originally Posted by djctoto

Third you have no idea where I sourced the E85 that was used in the mix to achieve the 30% ethanol content in the car. You just assumed it was pump E85 to support your arguments. It was in fact Ignite orange which is designed for high-performance engines needing reliable, high-octane fuel. It typically boasts an octane rating of 100-105.

Now we are finally getting somewhere... and here we go!!

You are aware that using a higher RON Octane suppresses detonation with diminishable returns. At the point where that detonation suppression no longer helps, it reduces the fuel's volatility to resist detonation it does not make more power UNLESS the timing is changed with subsequent fueling. While higher octane fuels, ethanol enriched or not, are chemically more stable to prevent auto-ignition/pre-ignition, they do not inherently require more time to complete their combustion cycle. This is key because that higher octane you boast about is actually hurting the torque output by delaying when the combustion process happens. You probably do not know this but I built and raced 2-stroke outboard boats for decades and my Father who has the patents on Phenol, Methanol and Acetone taught me how to blend fuels. So this is way deep in my Wheelhouse. Again, I can only assume what fuel you used because you provided ZERO details as to the source, type and ambient conditions to which this Dyno session in question took place. I prefer Shell 93oct mixed with the local Racetrac (RT) E85 to a 30-40% blend on the track. The higher 9.1-9.8 Reid Vapor Pressure of the Shell93 with RT-E85 vs your Ignite Orange E85 at 4.2-5.1RVP WITH the Ethanol Blended with whatever is calculated in my tuning and it was also done when running your car on the dyno. My fuel combo when put under boost and load will light-off like a torpedo hit Iranian ship but has the Ethanol blanket to ride out a perfect flame propagation across the piston and out the valves with zero detonation... a point very well proven day after day on the track and over 11 months on the same set of Brisk Silvers with zero detonation.

Originally Posted by djctoto

You're once again wrong in suggesting I went with a larger throttle body. It is in fact simply a ported OEM throttle body at 87mm designed to provide improvements in drivability and other weaknesses found with the stock unit as found by virtually anyone who has installed one.
Direct bolt on "plug and play" solution that does not require tuning or PCM calibration work to provide the following benefits:

From Tony Mamo's site.
Removal of the dreaded off-idle flat spot (very noticeable in manual trans cars and still present in automatics as well)
Much more throttle response at every throttle position but notably better in the lower throttle are you spend most of your time driving
The throttle is much more linear now and more intuitive.....tip in throttle as you roll into it is also much sharper
Increased HP and increased TQ across the board (12-15 RWTQ and 12-15 RWHP)

I can't support the claims about increased HP and TRQ because I never did an immediate dyno comparison, however the rest of the benefits were immediately noticeable.

But you've never used one so how would you know?

Once again, an unknown value that while Tony has hundreds of satisfied customers and clearly you are one of them... there are equally as many people who can say the opposite with swapping the throttle body out. Its the reason alone, "why mess with it...?" My car is reliable and makes more power than I can drive at the limit. When you start messing with the throttle body, you begin altering how the PTM calibration interacts with pulling power on so many levels. I would rather not mess with it.

Originally Posted by djctoto

I don't doubt your brothers competency.

I do doubt your repeated and exaggerated claims that the engine in my car as came from your shop made close to 700wrhp and over 700 wftlbs of torque.

Therefore your inaccurate claims and assumptions makes you the last person to do homework for anyone.

Good thing... you shouldn't. Your car could actually have made a lot more power. Doug was going to push it over the top, but since its a Customer's Car, it got a "Buffer Tune" with a respectable "safety zone" of power. Every shop does this, it should not be news but sure... call me inaccurate cause it did "MAKE Close to 700whp and if DID make OVER 700wLb/Ft of torque."

Originally Posted by djctoto

Lastly I spent in inordinate amount of time and money with Patriot Motorsports only to receive a car several months later than promised with all the excuses that went with it along with several problems that I've since
corrected.

(1) Did I mention that the right before I picked the car for the 1500 mile return trip home it had your recommended alignment which included -3.6 degrees of camber in the front.

Anyone with half a brain knowing the car was going to be highway driven for 1500 miles would realize the front tires would be junk after a trip of this magnitude.

(2) Speaking of tires you did supply a used set of tires for me at Road Atlanta but never delivered on a brand new set of Goodyear SC3R's that I paid you for but never received with documentation to show. And the tires you supplied for the ride home were a mismatched set front and rear at about 1/3 the cost of the SC3R's that I never got.

(3) I could provide hard evidence of numerous other instances were I was cheated and mislead by yourself so spare me your offers to help. It's useless !

The reason for my post is to illustrate to others of the real danger in doing business with you and Patriot Motorsports and all the BS that goes along with it. I would never do business with Patriot Motorsports again so you must be insane given all that has transpired to think I'd bring the car back to you again.

I love the car, feel lucky that it survived its ordeal with you and hope others can decide for themselves.

(1)Your car has a wrecked history on the CarFax as it hit a ditch as speed enough to need and entire front end... the dealer disclosed this to you. I picked it up from the dealer in three feet of snow in some God-Forsaken place up North where they couldn't drive it to even test their alignment with the wrong offset Camaro SS 20" wheels. The -3.6º was your initial reading, not the final which was a dead-balls-accurate -2.7º both left & right with zero toe in the front. You had -2º rear with zero perfect thrust angle. I asked you if you wanted the struts spun to street alignment but you declined as your plan was to take the Tail of the Dragon and Smokey Mountain route heading North. The same route I have made in my car all the way to Rochester, NY & Back without cording my tires.

(2) The Brand New Set of GY SC3Rs were in my trailer, but if you recall it was raining on the first half of the Road Atlanta session... so we jacked up my ZLE and I gave you MY wheels and tires so you could drive on the track in the rain to learn the car at a safe slower pace and not on slicks. The front tires were brand new Kumho PS91s which are a carbon copy of the Michelin PS4S which were on the rear and less than two months old which you burned up the rears at Road Atlanta and why I replaced them with two brand new rear Continental Extreme Contact 02S tires for your ride home, a cost of $1200 plus the $250 Alignment that day and the Kumho PS91s that cost another $950 just a couple weeks earlier. Quite a stretch to claim "1/3 the cost of SC3Rs you never got."

(3) Right now you've skewed the results by not including pertinent information, changed the context of how the results were obtained, blamed me for making MORE power, yet clearly I am not transparent enough to share data you already have. So you say I was wasting your time, yet we delivered your car as agreed 30 days EARLIER than originally planned. See your email with the track dates in JUNE you wanted to attend and the photo of your departure... You cut the entire build practically a month early, yet we made it happen. Maybe you forget these details but I am an Engineer by Trade and a lifetime of detailed records like your email below spells the truth... we delivered!!

You must have forgot the dozens of hours of free labor, the transporting of your car at no charge from our shop in South Carolina 10 hours round trip plus the extra oil changes, fluids and more we provided at no cost. Yeah, there was never a bill for all the fuel we used tuning or at the track. So all I can come up with right now is maybe you just NEED A BIG HUG!!



Just so I am being perfectly clear... We had this car just over a month during the Winter and Dan had zero issues with the car being at our shop for the Winter, with the target date set for May 30th-ish, due to roads, weather and his plan to drive it home to Connecticut from South Carolina via mountain pass roads, not the Interstates. This video below was published within a month of us picking up the car, completing just the basic cooling upgrades and he was ecstatic! My Fiancé Jeni had just broken her leg requiring $250K in surgeries & orthopedic visits, we had other vehicles to prepare as well as my own for GridLife Track Battle. We delivered his car actually EARLY per schedule the first week in May. Dan is pissed that our use of a third-party to buy ARH headers at a discount ended up back-firing as that vendor could not produce the five sets we bought within a scheduled time period. No fault of ARH's just ours being duped by a third party which delayed the headers to Dan.

Watch the video... does he seem the least bit upset with his experience? Did we not offer great customer service? Things haven't been great lately... but I will not be E-Bullied with someone with an Axe to grind with half-truths and speculation. from bad data.