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Originally Posted by Patriot Motorsports USA
Dan... you should at least back up the speculation with true results. OH WAIT... YOU WERE THERE IN THE SHOP WATCHING US DYNO YOUR CAR!. How can you insist that the chart I gave you was SUSPECT? You took your own photos and we backed it all up the next day at Road Atlanta, which you did so on a set of wheels & tires I provided for you at no cost... as well as the set of tires I paid for, to drive the car home since the aftermarket Camaro SS wheels your car was purchased with were 12-20 pounds per wheel heavier than stock ZLE wheels.
If you wanted a chart, you should have asked my Brother to send you the file. We were all there taking pics and made numerous pulls, which you witnessed each and every one of them. No Hocus Pocus, just data in and results out!
How is the low peak torque suspect..? My car with the stock cam and using the proper tuning by a seasoned professional make 800+lb/ft of torque at 2360rpm. Clearly the MAMO throttle body also adds a steep degree of complexity and was that also factored into the tuning? Several people I have spoken with have issues with these throttle bodies... might want to look there.
When you go with a larger throttle body, you affect the velocity of the air and the calibrations of such, did you change the airbox? Did you factor the stock exhaust helps build low-end torque and headers are great for upper RPM breathing?
In your area of Connecticut & New Hampshire, your Winter Fuel blend has more butane to increase the Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) in an effort to aid in cold starts. In freezing temps this is great but in a shop on a dyno or driving the car hard it most definitely will cause issues. If you're using a 30% blend of Pump E85, note that fuel is blended with 87octane not 93oct. So any tuning would most likely see a pulling of timing due to knock sensors and coilpacks showing a shorter dwell time for discharge. Did your tuner compensate for this as well? I hate to have to do all the homework for your tuner to solve your problems in just a poor understanding of what really works.
We use a Mustang Load-Based Dyno in our shop, so our numbers are typically on the low side compared to a hub or inertia DynoJet which are about 12-15% higher.
My apologies you are unhappy with your tuning results. My brother's skills are unmatched in this realm and that's why he focuses on tuning for manufacturers, pre-production prototype tuning and racing sanctioning bodies for their spec-ECUs. You had the opportunity to bring it back here... just LMK!
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Just some clarifications on this.
Yes I was there and did request an actual dyno plot which I was told would be sent to me but never came. The only data I got was the photo or the screen shot which I referenced.
Secondly I'm not complaining about the real results that were just achieved and fully documented. In fact I'm quite happy with them and believe they represent what should be expected from the car with the modifications done to it.
Third you have no idea where I sourced the E85 that was used in the mix to achieve the 30% ethanol content in the car. You just assumed it was pump E85 to support your arguments. It was in fact Ignite orange which is designed for high-performance engines needing reliable, high-octane fuel. It typically boasts an octane rating of 100-105.
You're once again wrong in suggesting I went with a larger throttle body. It is in fact simply a ported OEM throttle body at 87mm designed to provide improvements in drivability and other weaknesses found with the stock unit as found by virtually anyone who has installed one.
Direct bolt on "plug and play" solution that does not require tuning or PCM calibration work to provide the following benefits:
From Tony Mamo's site.
Removal of the dreaded off-idle flat spot (very noticeable in manual trans cars and still present in automatics as well)
Much more throttle response at every throttle position but notably better in the lower throttle are you spend most of your time driving
The throttle is much more linear now and more intuitive.....tip in throttle as you roll into it is also much sharper
Increased HP and increased TQ across the board (12-15 RWTQ and 12-15 RWHP)
I can't support the claims about increased HP and TRQ because I never did an immediate dyno comparison, however the rest of the benefits were immediately noticeable.
But you've never used one so how would you know?
I don't doubt your brothers competency.
I do doubt your repeated and exaggerated claims that the engine in my car as came from your shop made close to 700wrhp and over 700 wftlbs of torque.
Therefore your inaccurate claims and assumptions makes you the last person to do homework for anyone.
Lastly I spent in inordinate amount of time and money with Patriot Motorsports only to receive a car several months later than promised with all the excuses that went with it along with several problems that I've since
corrected.
Did I mention that the right before I picked the car for the 1500 mile return trip home it had your recommended alignment which included -3.6 degrees of camber in the front.
Anyone with half a brain knowing the car was going to be highway driven for 1500 miles would realize the front tires would be junk after a trip of this magnitude.
Speaking of tires you did supply a used set of tires for me at Road Atlanta but never delivered on a brand new set of Goodyear SC3R's that I paid you for but never received with documentation to show. And the tires you supplied for the ride home were a mismatched set front and rear at about 1/3 the cost of the SC3R's that I never got.
I could provide hard evidence of numerous other instances were I was cheated and mislead by yourself so spare me your offers to help. It's useless !
The reason for my post is to illustrate to others of the real danger in doing business with you and Patriot Motorsports and all the BS that goes along with it. I would never do business with Patriot Motorsports again so you must be insane given all that has transpired to think I'd bring the car back to you again.
I love the car, feel lucky that it survived its ordeal with you and hope others can decide for themselves.