[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well in theory (and actual practice) you are converting your power to the grid. I actually researched it and only like 60% of the national average is fossil fuel based. Surprisingly we are 10% nuclear as a nation.

But I know what you are both saying. And you are both right IMO. Factually, no one has mandated an EV in the US. But if you mandate a ZEV AND you know there is currently no known solution for that other than BEV and FCEV ANNNNNND you know there is no infrastructure to support FCEVs you have created what you (and others.......mannnnny others) interpret as a BEV mandate.

All that being said, EVs are not bad. They drive very nicely, perform wonderfully and if you can charge at home there is only one issue with a BEV right now and that's cost. And if Trump eliminates the $7,500 tax credit (which he did NOT do first time around) that problem only gets worse orrrrrrrrr the OEMs take a few more years to get profitable on EVs. I don't see GM somehow stopping the Lyriq, Celestiq, Optiq and Escalade IQ etc. just because there is no tax incentive. They will adjust. Case in point, the Ford Lightning price was going up and down weekly it seemed as the Inflation Reduction Act Impacted who and what got the credit. And for those that weren't paying attention it's already fewer EVs. It is now based on price of the vehicle, where the battery is made, and I think how much you make.

Good discussion btw and it has thus far remained civil. I like these discussions, but often they get political and are closed by the Mods. So, I'll say it again, thanks for keeping this on the good side.

I have to second the part in bold. Great discussion and I really appreciate that people are bringing facts to the discussion instead of a lot of the posturing that this thread saw in its earlier days. Too bad we can’t be in a dark hall around a table with a couple pitchers of beer for this one.