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Originally Posted by Alan47717
I'll ignore all of the rest of your reasoning, Number3, but I have to rebut the "non V8 sales" factor in the death of the 4th gen. If your "non V8" offerings feature tractor motor V6's that should have died in the 80's (that engine was not competitive in anything, let alone an image vehicle like the Camaro/Firebird by the mid 90's) you shouldn't expect to sell many and we didn't). The brilliant management you keep referring to didn't bother to make the base models competitive. It was incompetence that killed the car in 2002.
The 6th gen doesn't have this problem. It has two excellent "non V8" offerings that NO ONE, EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO LOOK, KNOW ABOUT. I pay attention, I know cars and I had no idea the 6th gen offered the same 2.0t as in my 2019 Equinox until I started seriously looking in the fall of 2021. Don't try to tell me any reasonable effort was made to market this car, especially when the sales started to slide. I get marketing literature from GM constantly, trying to sell me Malibu's, Equinox's, Silverado's, yada, yada. Camaros? What's a Camaro?
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The engines and chassis are pretty good in the non V8 cars. Chassis is excellent engines are ok, particularly the V6 (same as in my LaCrosse lol) being just so so.
That isn’t the issue.
The issue is why aren’t they selling and I can absolutely assure you it’s not lack of a TV commercial. Mustang is selling just fine and fine enough to get a NG car and not even a commercial for that car.
GM has all the data in the world you and I won’t ever see on why this is to back this up.
Almost all of the people in this site are here because of the V8 cars. The performance was a game changer when it launched. Bit the fundamental design and architecture resulted in a less compelling car if you simply want a sporty coupe. Remember everyone is going to SUVs for some consistent reasons and the Gen6 Camaro offers zero accommodation in this regard.
If you want a sporty coupe (not a sports car or muscle car) your expectations are far different than if you want the best performance car in the segment. If you chose an L4 or a V6 you’ve already made that clear.
Outward vision, trunk space, lift over height and zero rear seat (GM admitted this at launch if you recall) are huge.
Remember we’ve had people state their visibility is better than a Lamborghini on this very site, so therefore it MUST be ok.
Sorry but the sale numbers tell you everything and the ONLY counter anyone on this site has is “TV commercials” ignoring the simple fact the Mustang has zero commercials.