[Rob3D]

Originally Posted by kevint

We (however you define the term) aren't a monolith. What I'm trying to say, and forgive me for not explaining my thoughts the first time, is that on a per-vehicle basis, what it costs to generate the power to charge an electric vehicle is less than the cost of filling and running an ICE.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This is true. I’ve run out of breath trying to explain that, so I’m glad you took up the mantle.

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

"Democrats, including those running for president, are increasingly embracing more aggressive and progressive policies on climate change while rejecting natural gas, along with oil and coal. But this hasn’t always been the case."

https://www.axios.com/2019/06/25/dem...climate-change

"the Trudeau government’s antipathy to fossil fuels also extends to natural gas production, distribution and trade."

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-and-the-world

"In their petition, the attorneys general argued that allowing more natural gas to flow from Canada to the U.S. would harm the states’ efforts to combat climate change as the region shifts to renewable energy sources...Natural gas, primarily made of the greenhouse gas methane, is a main contributor to global warming."

https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2...dian-pipeline/


"More than 30 cities in California and a town in Massachusetts have pursued similar steps to discourage or eliminate gas use in new buildings."

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-action

"The Sierra Club is committed to eliminating the use of fossil fuels, including coal, natural gas and oil, as soon as possible. We must replace all fossil fuels with clean renewable energy, efficiency and conservation. Fracking poses unacceptable risks to our communities, our environment and our climate"

https://www.sierraclub.org/policy/en...0our%20climate.

The Green movement is not a science based movement. It's a religion. They want you to live in smaller homes, travel less, and eat bugs instead of meat.

In fact, Oxford England is going to start imposing financial penalties on residents who travel too much:

"the plan involves prohibiting where residents of Oxford can drive (unless they have the proper paperwork) by breaking the city into six zones. Predictably, the concept has proven to be wildly unpopular with some of the locals....According to the Oxfordshire County Council’s own website, “traffic filtering” involves stopping vehicles from moving through selected checkpoints by leveraging a network of preexisting automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras. While locals will be eligible to purchase permits that will allow them to drive between the zones “up to 100 days per year,” exceeding this limit will result in fines."

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ca...-2023-44498004

Coming soon to your neighborhood.

There’s no facts proving that, over all, a Camaro SS an EV have the same carbon footprint. The math just doesn’t add up. People just bend information to fit their own narrative because they dislike EV’s for some reason.

I’m confused how people won’t support EV’s as a whole. They are cleaner, next to no maintenance and just plain better. Obviously there are exceptions…like over the road trucking and for me personally, I will not haul a three horse slant behind anything I can’t fill up on ten minutes or doesn’t have a range less than a couple hundred miles. The EV hate is unbelievable.