[Xaxas]

This thread reeks of ignorance and just comparing numbers, "bigger = better", are you ignoring the fact that tire compound has gotten INSANELY good over the years? Plus traction/stability control aren't a bad thing, they're there to keep you alive and also prevents you from potentially killing others, you just say "hurr durr I put the pedal to the floor and car broke lose", no shit? Ever consider which type of tires the car has, the quality of the road you're in and if they're warmed up? My 1LE breaks lose at like 30% throttle on cold tires with 305 width.

And your complaint about electronics further reeks of ignorance, the reason cars are as fast and SAFE as they are today is because computers are way smarter than people, electronic throttles talk with the computers handling suspension, traction, etc to provide the best acceleration possible and for you to do what you want, when I'm on PTM and floor it during a corner, I'm not asking the car for 100% throttle input to go "faster", I'm asking for the car to go as fast as possible through the corner and the car does this by handling traction and torque.

It is a completely different experience sure, worse? Not at all, I also appreciate the feeling of a mechanical machine and that's why I doubt I'd get an electric car, and I also understand that there's even more analog cars than what I have, but I understand that the computers are there to help me have the best experience possible in my car while also being safer, instead of somehow feeling the computers have replaced some imaginary skill you thought you or the car had, understand that they are there to improve what you and the car can do.