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Originally Posted by Dan82679

Vigilante I love my cell phone but trying to write fast while at work can be challenging. I was a Bell Atlantic/Verizon land line technician in the late 90's early 2000's .I was pro cell phone then and we actually had laid out the infrastructure for cell phone adoption before we released the technology. Very different than the government mandating EV when the infrastructure is not there Slippy let's agree to disagree. Let's say your right with 77° you have nothing better than to troll because of 7°?
Everyone is missing the point since the start of the forum that we do not have the infrastructure for mass adoption of EV. Coal and gas power plants are the main source of power and solar/wind turbines are secondary at best. The Government has there own agenda for pushing EV and it is definitely not to help the masses. Politicians do not care about you or your Family.
Keyboard tough guys can mock me for my spelling,trollers can troll I don't care the bottom line is we are not ready for EV Mass adoption. I'm out of this thread.

Today we are not. But starting adoption today we are. You still saying we shouldn’t do something in 2035/40 because we aren’t ready today.

Originally Posted by Dan82679

Get a life

Ahhhh the internet.

Originally Posted by 90503

All this hands-free driving is absolute garbage.

No matter how it's presented, it is fraught with danger, selfish profit motive, video-game mentality and unsafe. I hope Congress will at some point ban it completely. Hiding behind "oh, they just didn't use it right" doesn't rationalize the simple fact that it should never have been considered to be in any automobile in the first place and is a completely unnecessary gimmick that has taken innocent life.

Sleep well.

So it’s clear you’ve never driven a car or truck with Level 2 technology. Almost every word in your post is incorrect. They work and do so as designed. When you hang a weight off the steering wheel, buckle the seat belt and sit in the passenger seat not so much. A car that can brake when you aren’t paying attention or nudge your car back in your lane when again aren’t paying attention is simply not a bad thing. Should standard on every car and truck.

Level 4 now is a different discussion.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Not even close. GM declared their intent to go all EV in 2019. Trump was president and GOP controlled both houses. Please prove me wrong.

While I wait for that, I’ll post a couple statements from GM President Mark Reuss and others on the topic. Reuss would certainly be a bit more knowledgeable on the topic than most since it’s his job. Reuss is also a car guy. He pretty much single handily green lit the 5th Gen Z/28 and the ZL1 1LE and he is one of the best track drivers at GM, despite his faux pas with the ZR1 at the Detroit Grand Prix. And just as much as it’s Mark Reuss’s job to pilot GM product strategy, it’s my job to cover and consult on this stuff.

From January 2019 (before Biden Administration) https://electrek.co/2019/01/15/gm-mo...-all-electric/

From June 2019 (before Biden Administration) https://ecolodriver.com/gm-working-o...evy-silverado/

From December 2019 (before Biden Administration)
https://www.engadget.com/2019-12-12-...cles-2030.html

Please prove me wrong.

When I’m in a meeting a people respond like they are to you I draw a circle on the marker board and write “bang head here” in the circle.

It doesn’t fit their internet fostered narrative so no matter what you say you are wrong.

Tesla, even after dropping $300 per share is STILL WORTH 10x what GM is even though GM is far more profitable. GM is trying to make stock holders happy, not Joe Biden.

Originally Posted by 90503

Those 2019 articles and statements do not mention "going all electric" and announce any end to ICE production. It was "all electric" as opposed to hybrid. No mention of ending ICE.
That didn't happen until the Biden administration was in and the goal of ending fossil fuels was put into action. Sure, they could plan on EVs in 2019 (Tesla had been building them for years and GM and many others just couldn't wait for Tesla to fail). Only when the Biden administration artificially promoted EVs with subsidies and anti-fossil fuel policies and the woke New Green Deal and Paris Climate Accords agendas did GM (gm) go all in on EVs and start bragging about ending ICE.

Pretty sure GM and Tesla aren’t getting subsidies anymore. Now Tesla selling credit to Stellantis is a different discussion.

Also, no one mentions it but Biden and the Democrats HATE Tesla. Non union shop.

Originally Posted by SaReNi

all I can say is, if I can't hear it, I don't want to drive it.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

All of this is true, but GM had announced the intent to go 100% electric and to operate factories at zero net carbon emissions long before these changes to the rule making were finalized.

Truth doesn’t work on the internet anymore.