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Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive
Agreed. As an Electrical Engineer who designs large building power systems and works with utilities for load profiles, I can confirm that the grid is incapable of handling an in-rush (nerd pun intended) of EV charging. PHEV should be the push, and I don't understand why it's not, I just assume there is money to be made by legislatures and politicians and thus the push.
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We are still years from that many EVs on the road. Even when the market is 80% EV around 2030 if Ford, GM and others meet their commitments we will still have 200 million ICE vehicles on the road so 2050 before we would be all EV.
Does anyone on this site actually believe nothing will change in 30 years? No better batteries, charging or infrastructure?
I remember working at the proving grounds one February day when an engineer rolled up in the bay next to me in EV1. I asked what was the range on a cold day like today. “About 15 miles” he said.
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Originally Posted by Panda1SS
No chance. I'm already pissed enough people trying to make it so I can't even drive my car. I want no part in this souless market. No sound no rumble no control of gears no buy.
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Not clear, who is trying to make it so you can’t drive your car. I’ve experienced nothing like this.
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Originally Posted by len_eng
No Thank You. The electrics currently are bursting into flames while charging (Bolts) , giving crappy range especially in cold and very hot weather. The grid is unable to keep up as has been seen in recent days by California and Texas asking people not to charge during peak hours. The infrastructure is simply not there to recharge the vehicles. Recharge versus refuel time of several hours versus 5 minutes. I would rather not have to take a valuable day of vacation because I cannot charge my car. With Gas I can run for three days (400-500 mile range) 110 mile daily commute. Finally there are a lot of reasons why they are not as "green" as the ICE variants 1) line losses in the power lines 2) electricity is mainly generated in this country by fossil fuels 3) mining to retrieve the rare earths for the batteries 4) safely recycling the batteries Finally electric car ranges should have a dis-qualifier next to them for example Your Mileage will be reduced by hot days cold days excessive use of accessories such as heat and air conditioning. Also there is the cost of replacement batteries and the increased depreciation due to the battery wear out phenomenon. Replacing the batteries is currently far more expensive than any minor engine repair at 100k, or even 15ok miles.
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I won’t pick to bad but you do know your gas mileage in your ICE is also affected by temperature and accessory use right?
And batteries are lasting much longer than you think. Federal emissions requires OEMs to cover the battery for 70,000 miles and Tesla for one is even higher. And in the end, you have an electric motor and a battery. No engine, no transmission, both if replaced new will run you close to a battery. But you unfairly compare a new battery to a “minor repair” on the ICE.
My LaCrosse for reference had the range of a Bolt with its 11 gallon tank so there is that.
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Originally Posted by 90503
Not to mention recommended charging for best battery life and reasonable quick charge time is between 20% and 80% of battery charge capacity. (Basically useful range is 40% less than advertised range), and that's under "ideal" conditions....To charge to 100% capacity for full range takes considerably longer charge time and electricity use, as well as not recommended for the life of the battery itself.
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In the Volt GM actually included the 20/80 in the software so the 50 miles was 50 miles.
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Originally Posted by LStick
No.
One of my sons was on a research group that is into Hydrogen fuel.
I view electric vehicles as a stopgap.
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Green steel could make hydrogen cheaper and plentiful. But otherwise the industry is still heavily leanining on EVs. Oh and hydrogen doesn’t address the refueling/recharging time. With the in your driveway program, the GM Equinox in the program were 30 minutes. But that was 15 years ago so likely better.
Also, hydrogen storage requires a VERY special and expensive tank to store the hydrogen at 10,000 psi.