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Originally Posted by Rob3D
Yup. And take nascar and drag racing as another example. They’ve done to those cars everything that can be done. They’ve even restricted speed on some tracks and I think they’ve reached a performance vehicle technical plateau. I don’t possess the engineering and technical knowledge to write intelligently about much of this…..so Comment on this and how it might affect the world of EV. However, I can say with confidence they are intertwined
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All racing leagues/organizations have limitations to make the competition more equal. These limitations keep the cars from going faster, not necessarily the lack of engineering technical capabilities. So, we haven't technically plateaued, it's just that they've nearly plateaued within the rules. There's innovations that can be made to squeeze a bit more performance within the confines of the rules which is what the engineering teams try to do.
Top fuel dragsters could run faster and quicker if they weren't limited by the rules. But then, we'd have 25,000 hp 2.0 sec 1/4 mile dragsters (assuming the tire tech. could put that power down), who could stand those G forces?
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Originally Posted by Realist
The one thing EV’s aren’t doing in my eyes is all around performance with comparable price. They claim it’s going to be cheaper to go EV but what current EV performs in all ways similar to a 6th Gen ZL1 and price. Nothing. They are all $140k cars. Sure they may out accelerated but what about the handling? I think an EV Camaro that looks, handles and accelerates equal to SS 1LE would still be $90k. That’s the big problem I have with them. Gonna be interesting to see what GM quotes to replace a 2023 Silverado EV battery 10years from now. Battery=$9000, service labor to separate body from chassis=$2000, battery recycle=$1700?
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There are no sports car or real sports coupe EVs yet. They are all 4 doors or crossovers. They are heavy, but the low center of gravity and balanced weight distribution helps, and I'm sure despite being heavier, a dedicated sports coupe EV could be really good in all performance metrics. It's just that no one has done it yet. Imagine a 911 "Turbo S" full electric. It will destroy all. And I guarantee when Porsche makes a 911 EV, it will look like a 911. They aren't going to deviate from the iconic design. They might tweak the front and rear graphics, but I think (hope) the proportions and overall design remains about the same. I'm not necessarily a fan of EVs, but the all around performance will be there, when they start developing those types of cars. As far as the price...the expensive ones are $140k+ because they are luxury vehicles.
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Originally Posted by Martinjlm
Is that a statement of fact or an opinion of what is to come? I can assure you that automakers are not prevented from developing ICE vehicles. Those who have very publicly stated that they are ending ICE development are doing so of their own volition. They are making it central to their product strategy.
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And this is unfortunate. I wish they would continue to develop ICEs in mass alongside EVs, but budgets probably don't allow for it, except for special models like the Z06 LT6 or Maserati twin turbo V6 in the new MC-20 (beautiful car). Actually, I don't care if all commuter cars go to EV, but I wish that sports cars, super cars, and muscle cars could stay ICE due to the "soul" and personality the engines provide to the driving experience.