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Old 04-29-2022, 12:44 PM   #71
Martinjlm
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Enjoy it while it lasts, although I dont think the world is going 100% electric anytime soon. Will take time to ramp up the production to have enough Lithium to produce all the batteries. We will see, maybe we can have some sort of hybrid future.
This is true. The world is not going 100% EV for two or three decades at the earliest. But the volume of ICE will drop dramatically and automakers will drop the least profitable models first. GM says they will be “100% zero emissions vehicles” by 2035. Expect CT4/5, and Camaro to be among the first to disappear from GM portfolio. Expect Corvette and Escalade to continue with gas engines until Dec. 31, 2034.

The amount of lithium is less of an issue than the price of lithium. There are many diverse sources of lithium. Every time the price rises, different sources become financially viable. Lithium is only about 3% of the material in a lithium ion battery and manufacturers continue to innovate ways to reduce the amount needed. It’s 3% of the material, but about 20% of the cost.

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By tuning the car are you foregoing any over the air updates the manufacturer provides? This could be a big deterrent holding people back from upgrades the OEM isn't providing. It just depends on how many people will want aftermarket support for their EV and how accessible the ECU is to tune.

I could see manufacturers locking it down and making upgrades available only through dealers. Going all in with feature availability only through a subscription model. Not because these things aren't possible now but with this shift there is an opportunity to say this is how we do it now.

There could be a manufacturer that caters to enthusiasts and allows, or at least turns a blind eye to third party tuning but that will require someone at the top with the right mindset or an unfulfilled market.
EV's have proven themselves fast. The Hummer weighs over 9000 pounds and can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. So maybe the EV aftermarket isn't chasing speed but rather engagement. Light weighting and dropping in manual transmissions could be the thing.
What we are likely to see is over the air tuning available from the manufacturers to support their performance models. They’ll be able to compete directly with traditional tuners. They’ll also be able to precisely tune the car so that it has the performance tune while you are at Laguna Seca, but revert back to the standard tune when you are off the property.

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My big issue with EV, is there are many questions and no solutions.

Forced switch to EV is like quitting heroin cold. Its just not that simple. There are things to consider and do before you can get to that point, and the EV industry is just not there, let alone is the infrastructure there to support it.

Example: In Detroit, MI they want to develop charge as you drive roads. Why? Most people in Detroit couldn't afford an EV anyways? Not to mention location is everything. Charge as you go roads should be major highways. Now add to the fact just how effective that system is going to be? Lack of charging stations is a big factor as well. So are only Major cities allow to charge as they drive? Here's a better question why hasn't anyone developed a self charging EV motor yet? I heard rumors Chevy might be working on it.
Most EV owners will rarely use public chargers. You wake up every morning with a “full tank” so unless you drive 2-300 miles everyday, you’ll charge at home. We’ve had Chevrolet Volts in our household since 2012. Our current one, a 2017, has a maximum range of 53 miles each morning. In the 6 years that we’ve owned it we have probably used public charging about a dozen times. Most of those when I drove it to Detroit Lions football games and plug it in at the chargers at GM headquarters to avoid paying $40+ for parking. For cars that have 250 - 400 mile ranges, they will only need public chargers on long trips. Maybe once or twice a year for most people.

But what about people who don’t have access to a home charger? They just don’t buy an electric car. Remember, ICE cars will be around for another decade or three. Thing is, all the major automakers have already stated publicly that they are focusing most or ALL of their development spending on EV so the ICE offerings will be limited. They’ll be there, but they’ll be limited.

The idea of in-the-road charging is already in development and is used for some bus systems in Europe. For the US, the main use, if it ever really happens, will be for EV only lanes on expressways and as a lead-in to autonomous driving. It’s probably a long way off, though.
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