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Old 09-08-2021, 11:37 AM   #73
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Originally Posted by FarmerFran View Post
I will answer with my take, from the driver's seat

FI really has no impact so to speak
Gear selection using 3 peddles has a huge impact
Drive by wire has a huge impact - it sucked bad at first and people are still buying things like peddle commander to help "fix it"
Power windows for me is not a lazy thing. It is I cannot reach across the car to get to them safely while moving. I would take the weight savings, even though it would not put a dent in my current car's weight
Steer by wire has the same effect as drive by wire - numbness
Are there any wire only braking systems in non EV cars?
Thanks, these are very good points. Brake by wire is not yet a thing for the average car, but it's coming: https://www.brembo.com/en/car/origin.../brake-by-wire

Let me just take one of your examples, drive by wire, because it illustrates what I meant to say very well. It absolutely does NOT have to suck, even I can design one that you will not be able to distinguish from a cable driven throttle opening mechanism. It can respond quickly, its characteristics can match that of a cable almost 100%, to the point that a human will feel zero difference, even pedal resistance can be just like a mechanical counterpart.

The great thing about it is that it doesn't have to. You now have a computer between you and the throttle blade that can be told to do anything you want or need—wifey isn't confident with your 455-650-800 hp car but you need her to drive because there is an emergency? she can have the sluggish throttle that keeps her out of the ditch; you want a little more touchy feel so when you breathe on the pedal, the car jumps like a scalded dog? no problem, you now have a computer you can tell what to do, etc. In my scenarios, the computer is your slave and not the other way around, and THAT is what's worth fighting for IMO.

Now, of course one can say f*** all that, I'll just take the mechanical, "one way or the highway" approach and all these other scenarios be damned, but let's be honest, it isn't superior or even progressive (although that word has been bastardized beyond recognition, sadly). And this is where my point about preserving what is valuable comes in.
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