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Originally Posted by TheRealJA105
I run road courses and run faster than ZLE's every time too! The road course tells you less about your cars power and acceleration than a drag strip or a dyno that's a fact and exactly my point. It's all about driver skill on the road course. The only 6th gen Camaros to finish ahead of me at SCCA TT Nationals were Coby Shield in his 1LE, Ryan Finch in the 1 Lap 1LE monster, and Chris Bickford in a ZLE on Hoosiers. That doesn't make my car faster than all the ZLEs and ZL1s that finished behind me.
I could care less what your friend's butt dyno thinks as that tells you exactly nothing. Pulling on cars coming out of turns is also not a good indicator because minimum speeds will be different with different drivers and the first car is accelerating before the second car is on the gas.
I am asking for a strict CAR VS CAR comparison, hence why I asked for 1/4 mile (1st) or dyno number (2nd) comparisons. Hell a good old no skill roll race is a better indicator of car vs car power/acceleration than a road course.
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I agree with a lot of what you say here and clearly you have a lot of track experience and skill so I respect that. I spend some time at the track, just got back from 3 fun days at Buttonwillow 4/2-4/4. I want to point out that you do often see clear indicators of superior power on a circuit when you pull through a turn with a tightly spaced pack of similar advanced drivers in "fairly" matched cars (GT3s, ZLEs, Corvettes, GT 350s) opening up onto a nice long straight.
My descriptions and POV here are based on experience in advanced HPDE groups running very fast laps at CA tracks, ie Buttonwillow CW13 with drivers ranging 1:50-1:57.
Assuming a long enough straight and everyone is a good driver who goes WOT asap, the significantly more powerful cars can/will pass or create a widening big gap, sometimes in a dominant fashion (like a modded ZLE with +200 WHP). But often they will lose that advantage to more skilled drivers in the next turn. If the high power car driver can also turn and brake equally or better, that gap will keep growing.
The guy in the 765 LT at Buttonwillow this weekend had such a power and tech advantage over everyone (except the 2 GT2 RSs) that exiting turns from the back of a group he passed every GT3RS, Z06, ZLE, etc with ease. He was not the best driver :-) The 765LT is so advanced and fast it also makes a good driver a hero in turns.
On a side note, after 13 track days in my ZLE, the brakes seem to be a secret weapon vs other very capable sports cars. I run Ferodo DS 1.11 pads and Brembo HTC 64 fluid and with this combo I can brake later, often catching lighter cars with more nimble handling.