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RagingHawk · 03-03-2021, 01:00 PM

Mach E is an example of what EV market will look like for the coming decade. No manufacturers will be making EV sports cars any time soon. They will be CUV's that they call 'sports coupes' or 'hot hatches', if even. Meanwhile, gas prices may go up substantially leading up to 2030 and who knows how parts availability will be for those that want to secure an ICE sports cars before that time line. Your last chance is next generation(2022-2023) releases will likely be the last pure ICE sports cars available with a manual:

-7th gen Mustang
-6th gen Camaro if it stays till 2026 or 7th gen if it is a thing
-Nissan 400z
-Golf GTI/Golf R
-WRX/WRX STI
-Dodge Challenger
-Honda Civic SI/Type R
-Toyota Corolla GR
-BMW M2/M3/M4
-Veloster N
-Porsche Caymans/911s/Boxsters

Those will likely be the last ICE generation sports cars with manuals. Maybe they will become hybrids for one more generation after that without the stick. Gas prices will be high, sports don't sell well and are not profitable like the CUVS. Sports cars development will not be prioritized for awhile until manufacturers profit off EV CUV's and until the tech itself develops. It will be awhile till we get something like a 19,000 Corolla pure EV. You can go out today and get a lot of 20-22 thousand dollar cars with same range as their higher optioned trims. With EV, I doubt we will see low prices for awhile and if we do, they will cut the range big time as we already are seeing. A base trim will get you 150-200 miles at most, and you will have to move up to higher end trims to get 250-300 mile range. So subcompact or economical cars will not be a thing for awhile.

EV's will cost a lot, automakers will profit even more on them. EV folks like to say how costs will go down and less moving parts and so forth, while it is true battery costs will go down, prices will not go down much for at least until 2030/2035, and when they do, they will give us small batteries in those subcompact vehicles and want people to move up to higher profit loaded trims. EV Sports cars won't be good until at least 2035. There will be 6-figure luxury sedans but they are not sports cars nor affordable. ICE sports cars will get costlier to own, if gas prices go up and if there is some sort of carbon tax in the future. Government will go after tuners and aftermarket companies. It's gonna be a crappy next 15 years for car enthusiasts. You will have to get some 40,000 CUV with 200 miles range if you want a new car. And that's the so called 'base models' these automakers are coming out with. Whereas a base corolla will get you more range , dependability, and features for half the price.

03-03-2021, 01:00 PM	#200
RagingHawk Drives: Fuel efficient compact sedan :) Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 707	Mach E is an example of what EV market will look like for the coming decade. No manufacturers will be making EV sports cars any time soon. They will be CUV's that they call 'sports coupes' or 'hot hatches', if even. Meanwhile, gas prices may go up substantially leading up to 2030 and who knows how parts availability will be for those that want to secure an ICE sports cars before that time line. Your last chance is next generation(2022-2023) releases will likely be the last pure ICE sports cars available with a manual: -7th gen Mustang -6th gen Camaro if it stays till 2026 or 7th gen if it is a thing -Nissan 400z -Golf GTI/Golf R -WRX/WRX STI -Dodge Challenger -Honda Civic SI/Type R -Toyota Corolla GR -BMW M2/M3/M4 -Veloster N -Porsche Caymans/911s/Boxsters Those will likely be the last ICE generation sports cars with manuals. Maybe they will become hybrids for one more generation after that without the stick. Gas prices will be high, sports don't sell well and are not profitable like the CUVS. Sports cars development will not be prioritized for awhile until manufacturers profit off EV CUV's and until the tech itself develops. It will be awhile till we get something like a 19,000 Corolla pure EV. You can go out today and get a lot of 20-22 thousand dollar cars with same range as their higher optioned trims. With EV, I doubt we will see low prices for awhile and if we do, they will cut the range big time as we already are seeing. A base trim will get you 150-200 miles at most, and you will have to move up to higher end trims to get 250-300 mile range. So subcompact or economical cars will not be a thing for awhile. EV's will cost a lot, automakers will profit even more on them. EV folks like to say how costs will go down and less moving parts and so forth, while it is true battery costs will go down, prices will not go down much for at least until 2030/2035, and when they do, they will give us small batteries in those subcompact vehicles and want people to move up to higher profit loaded trims. EV Sports cars won't be good until at least 2035. There will be 6-figure luxury sedans but they are not sports cars nor affordable. ICE sports cars will get costlier to own, if gas prices go up and if there is some sort of carbon tax in the future. Government will go after tuners and aftermarket companies. It's gonna be a crappy next 15 years for car enthusiasts. You will have to get some 40,000 CUV with 200 miles range if you want a new car. And that's the so called 'base models' these automakers are coming out with. Whereas a base corolla will get you more range , dependability, and features for half the price.