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SWZL11LE · 09-02-2020, 09:01 PM

With all due respect and by meaning no disrespect to some members who are posting here, unfortunately there is a lot of bad information being posted.

Here is an analogy, the guy who buys a ZL1 and never revs above 3k rpm, and says its a waste of money, a V6 Camaro is just as good. This is the type of mentality I see with some of the posts made here.

Under hard driving conditions, the braking of the ZL1 / ZL1 1LE is lack luster compared to any other performance capability of this car.

Those who have changed lines and see no difference? Well this is very well possible, if you aren't really using the brakes of the car in a demanding fashion which put s your stock brakes too the test, or you just lack the feel. (again I mean no disrespect when I say this, it is the truth that there are drivers within all skill levels).

There have been people who have taken the stock brake lines, cut them open and saw the fiber / brass braiding in them, then have claimed these cars have somewhat of a performance oriented brake line also have no expertise in what they are talking about. Any hydraulic line you cut open, be it from a 1980 Dodge Colt to a high performance vehicle that uses traditional rubber line will have this. A hydraulic line no matter how low grade will need some sort of a braiding inside in order to help it from bursting under certain pressures. There are even garden hoses with braiding in them.

There is expansion from just pure pressure, and there is expansion from thermal elements with the stock brake lines. When you start really using your brakes, the stock lines expand under the higher braking pressures which causes an extremely indirect braking feel. To make things worse, the stock lines also expand even more because of the increased temperatures within the braking system aka the brake fluid starting to reach extreme temperatures. This is all due to the material of the brake line and the construction of it. This isn't some sort of magic, its just simple physics.

Upgrading the lines along with the fluid of these cars do wonders, it makes the brakes not only razor sharp and direct feeling, but it also makes the braking consistent lap over lap even under the most demanding circumstances.

Be it the carbon fiber lines or the stainless lines, an experienced driver will be able to easily tell the difference, because the difference is pretty big.

Other than the carbon fiber brake lines being able to have a minimum burst pressure rate over 16000psi, the biggest advantage they have over stainless steel braided lines is the fact that they do not bind like stainless steel braided lines. While being extremely resistant to expansion from pressure and resistant to thermal expansion, the carbon fiber braided lines are very flexible in terms of routing. Again, flexible in terms of routing, not expansion, these are two different areas. You can grab one of those carbon fiber brake lines, tie a knot it in, and it will still be able to meet its minimum burst rate pressure which is 16000 psi. Try to tie a knot in a stainless steel line, well good luck. The biggest down fall of a stainless steel line is the binding it causes from lock to lock, and this is where the carbon fiber brake lines excels over the stainless.

I had to chime in here, because I think these forums are great for all of us to learn and pass on our knowledge to others.

09-02-2020, 09:01 PM	#19
SWZL11LE Drives: '19 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Miami Posts: 128	With all due respect and by meaning no disrespect to some members who are posting here, unfortunately there is a lot of bad information being posted. Here is an analogy, the guy who buys a ZL1 and never revs above 3k rpm, and says its a waste of money, a V6 Camaro is just as good. This is the type of mentality I see with some of the posts made here. Under hard driving conditions, the braking of the ZL1 / ZL1 1LE is lack luster compared to any other performance capability of this car. Those who have changed lines and see no difference? Well this is very well possible, if you aren't really using the brakes of the car in a demanding fashion which put s your stock brakes too the test, or you just lack the feel. (again I mean no disrespect when I say this, it is the truth that there are drivers within all skill levels). There have been people who have taken the stock brake lines, cut them open and saw the fiber / brass braiding in them, then have claimed these cars have somewhat of a performance oriented brake line also have no expertise in what they are talking about. Any hydraulic line you cut open, be it from a 1980 Dodge Colt to a high performance vehicle that uses traditional rubber line will have this. A hydraulic line no matter how low grade will need some sort of a braiding inside in order to help it from bursting under certain pressures. There are even garden hoses with braiding in them. There is expansion from just pure pressure, and there is expansion from thermal elements with the stock brake lines. When you start really using your brakes, the stock lines expand under the higher braking pressures which causes an extremely indirect braking feel. To make things worse, the stock lines also expand even more because of the increased temperatures within the braking system aka the brake fluid starting to reach extreme temperatures. This is all due to the material of the brake line and the construction of it. This isn't some sort of magic, its just simple physics. Upgrading the lines along with the fluid of these cars do wonders, it makes the brakes not only razor sharp and direct feeling, but it also makes the braking consistent lap over lap even under the most demanding circumstances. Be it the carbon fiber lines or the stainless lines, an experienced driver will be able to easily tell the difference, because the difference is pretty big. Other than the carbon fiber brake lines being able to have a minimum burst pressure rate over 16000psi, the biggest advantage they have over stainless steel braided lines is the fact that they do not bind like stainless steel braided lines. While being extremely resistant to expansion from pressure and resistant to thermal expansion, the carbon fiber braided lines are very flexible in terms of routing. Again, flexible in terms of routing, not expansion, these are two different areas. You can grab one of those carbon fiber brake lines, tie a knot it in, and it will still be able to meet its minimum burst rate pressure which is 16000 psi. Try to tie a knot in a stainless steel line, well good luck. The biggest down fall of a stainless steel line is the binding it causes from lock to lock, and this is where the carbon fiber brake lines excels over the stainless. I had to chime in here, because I think these forums are great for all of us to learn and pass on our knowledge to others.