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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87
The slight suspension changes are to make up for an inherit disadvantage of zl1's extra weight in the nose. Why you think that may be totally neutralized by the slight changes to spring rate giving the zl1 better suspension and balance, I don't get.
We do have some data on the matter as far as lateral G's go. According to Motortrend the best ss 1le's average skip pad G's are 1.12 vs the zl1's 1.08 (m6) 1.07 (a10). According to C&D the ss 1le pulled 1.11g average on the skip pad to the zl1's 1.07 (m6) 1.04 (a10).
For reference the zl1 1le is capable of as high as 1.17/1.18 later G's.
We also braking data favoring the ss 1le. Braking from 60 to 0 (93 to 97ft) and 70 to 0 (140 to 141ft) in a shorter distance than the zl1 according to both publishers. As well as far less powerful ss 1le putting up a faster figure 8 time than the zl1.
So going off of that we can assume that out of the two cars with nearly identical suspension, the lighter one is the better handling car. It's just physics.
No one is saying that the ss 1le is a better or faster car, ultimately that's subjective to the users needs and most would probably agree that the higher tier zl1 is the better overall car. However as far as just handling and balance go it's just not.
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Please post the link for this info.
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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87
The weight difference is more like 165-169lbs for an m6 vs an m6, doesn't make a world of difference but enough to give it higher lateral G's and figure 8 lap times during publisher testing while having less hp. Are they worlds apart? Absolutely not, mostly splitting hairs here. Does the ss 1le perform better in handling and braking only measurements? Yes, it does, you might doubt it but the data is out there so idk why you doubt it.
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Going off the specs I saw, there was only a 140 pound difference.
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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium
The SLE doesn't just "feel" like it handles better, it does subjectively handle better than the ZL1 as evidenced by the testing numbers RobbyBeefCake mentioned above. The ZL1's massive hp and torque advantage more than makes up for the SLE's marginally better grip and handling when going around a track that isn't short and technical.
There's a difference between handling prowess and how fast a car goes around a track that Blaq doesn't seem to comprehend. Many people drive cars that make them feel a certain way - which is why some might pay more for a GT350R than buy a slightly subjectively faster car (around a track) like the ZL1, much to Blaq's disbelief. Or why many people drive Miatas...
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I suggest you comprehend what the word "subjective" means before you try calling me out.
I wouldn't buy or drive a Miata if I got paid to.