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JROC · 07-26-2020, 10:42 PM

Here why I vote ZL1. I get tired of Ford polishing turds. The S550 was designed to compete with Zeta and is not on Alphas level. Ford does this crap all the time. They make a less than stellar platform for the Mustang to ride on and then try and make it excel better than it should be able to. Camaro did this with the GEN5 Z/28. (and frankly the SS 1LE seeing as it ate a 15 GT PP1 alive around I believe Willow Spring in that MT test comparing a GEN5 SS 1LE to a 15 GT PP1. A S550 GT PP1 is faster than a Boss 302 LS my ass if it loses as bad to a GEN5 SS 1LE as it did in that test. Like almost 2 second if I remember right) "Look a 2000 Cobra R can lap tracks with C5Z's and GEN2 Vipers." Well who the hell wants to street a Cobra R with no radio, A/C, a minimal interior with cooling tubes being routed thru the cabin, etc. Plus the other cars potential is much higher than a SN95 platform. It's the same with S550. It's just a revamped DEW98 which was used on the old Lincoln LS, early 2000's Thunderbird, some old Jaguars, etc. Your trying to compete with one of the best unibody platforms ever with that?

I used to bleed blue. The GEN6 Mustang was the final nail in the coffin for me. All these Mustang fanboys (including myself) would claim a GEN5 Camaro is a POS because it's overweight. Well so is a GEN6 Mustang. It's pushing towards 3900 lbs with in GT PP1, premium forum. All that 3700 lb BS is for a basic, no option 15-17 GT which is comparable to a sub-3600 lb Camaro LT1. Ford knew Alpha was better before it even came out. That's why the lead Mustang engineer at the time was saying that Mustang wasn't trying to compete with Camaro and Challenger, but Porsche and BMW. Also Ford was claiming that an Alpha Camaro couldn't be made to weigh less than a comparable model S550 and that turned out to not be true.

When Ford starts trying to build world class chassis/suspension setups for Mustang, (which they've never really done, as Mustangs platform is always budgeted on more than its competitors) then I'll start looking seriously at Mustangs again.

Look I love Foxbodys and Terminators, etc but they are built on chitty platforms with very poorly engineered suspensions. (Even the Cobras IRS) You want to build them to shine as bright as they can then copy a GEN4 Fbody suspension setup for them. You even do that to a S197 if you want it to perform its best. Pretty sad really.

I will say I think a GT350R is a cooler car, just not a better one. Like I'm disappointed in Ford compromising Mustangs chassis the way they do, they have very much stepped up their motor game where GM has started to fall off their motor game in some ways. AFM is some BS and forcing it on people is not cool, and I was very disappointed with how GM compromised the LT4's blower. LT4 isn't even on Trinitys level much less the 2020 GT500's level simply because they used a blower way less efficient than a TVS2300/2650 or the SRT Hellcat blower. They used the excuse of clearing the hood on a Z06. You don't build a higher performance motor with a blower on it to fit a hood, you build a hood to fit that motor. Kind of like the LT5 in the ZR1. The LT5 is a badass motor, with an efficient blower, and has an ideal fuel system setup.

07-26-2020, 10:42 PM	#65
JROC Account Suspended Drives: 19 Camaro SS 1LE, 03 Ford Lightning Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: South Carolina Posts: 334	Here why I vote ZL1. I get tired of Ford polishing turds. The S550 was designed to compete with Zeta and is not on Alphas level. Ford does this crap all the time. They make a less than stellar platform for the Mustang to ride on and then try and make it excel better than it should be able to. Camaro did this with the GEN5 Z/28. (and frankly the SS 1LE seeing as it ate a 15 GT PP1 alive around I believe Willow Spring in that MT test comparing a GEN5 SS 1LE to a 15 GT PP1. A S550 GT PP1 is faster than a Boss 302 LS my ass if it loses as bad to a GEN5 SS 1LE as it did in that test. Like almost 2 second if I remember right) "Look a 2000 Cobra R can lap tracks with C5Z's and GEN2 Vipers." Well who the hell wants to street a Cobra R with no radio, A/C, a minimal interior with cooling tubes being routed thru the cabin, etc. Plus the other cars potential is much higher than a SN95 platform. It's the same with S550. It's just a revamped DEW98 which was used on the old Lincoln LS, early 2000's Thunderbird, some old Jaguars, etc. Your trying to compete with one of the best unibody platforms ever with that? I used to bleed blue. The GEN6 Mustang was the final nail in the coffin for me. All these Mustang fanboys (including myself) would claim a GEN5 Camaro is a POS because it's overweight. Well so is a GEN6 Mustang. It's pushing towards 3900 lbs with in GT PP1, premium forum. All that 3700 lb BS is for a basic, no option 15-17 GT which is comparable to a sub-3600 lb Camaro LT1. Ford knew Alpha was better before it even came out. That's why the lead Mustang engineer at the time was saying that Mustang wasn't trying to compete with Camaro and Challenger, but Porsche and BMW. Also Ford was claiming that an Alpha Camaro couldn't be made to weigh less than a comparable model S550 and that turned out to not be true. When Ford starts trying to build world class chassis/suspension setups for Mustang, (which they've never really done, as Mustangs platform is always budgeted on more than its competitors) then I'll start looking seriously at Mustangs again. Look I love Foxbodys and Terminators, etc but they are built on chitty platforms with very poorly engineered suspensions. (Even the Cobras IRS) You want to build them to shine as bright as they can then copy a GEN4 Fbody suspension setup for them. You even do that to a S197 if you want it to perform its best. Pretty sad really. I will say I think a GT350R is a cooler car, just not a better one. Like I'm disappointed in Ford compromising Mustangs chassis the way they do, they have very much stepped up their motor game where GM has started to fall off their motor game in some ways. AFM is some BS and forcing it on people is not cool, and I was very disappointed with how GM compromised the LT4's blower. LT4 isn't even on Trinitys level much less the 2020 GT500's level simply because they used a blower way less efficient than a TVS2300/2650 or the SRT Hellcat blower. They used the excuse of clearing the hood on a Z06. You don't build a higher performance motor with a blower on it to fit a hood, you build a hood to fit that motor. Kind of like the LT5 in the ZR1. The LT5 is a badass motor, with an efficient blower, and has an ideal fuel system setup.