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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
They did. But where did it get them? Look at it like this, GM put a lot of features and extras into the Camaro. We criticize Ford for being cheap with the Mustang. And initially the Camaro sold really well. But then Ford was able to cut pricing on the Mustang which lured a lot of buyers in. GM dealerships could not lower Camaro pricing as drastically tho who pushed people away. At some point GTs were going for dirt cheap and the EBs even cheaper. Despite the fact that the Camaro was a great bargain for what you get and a great deal, a great deal means nothing if nobody can afford it. And that is what happened with the Camaro. When you think about it, the ZL1 is the best value on the planet. But how many people can afford a $60K car? For those who can, how many are gonna look elsewhere? And how many does that leave? Not many. So my statement about GM making the car too good was more to say that if they had skimped a little then they could have kept the pricing decent for most and comparable to the Mustang. I mean, most people just want a V8. They don't care or even know about Brembos, coolers, specific tires, eLSD, etc. Most of them are not going to drive the car in any way that they would need any of that anyway. So maybe GM built the Camaros too well for what was needed and that ultimately drove the price up and that is what turned people off. I mean, when looking at the ZL1 and how well it was made, I and those who did buy one certainly benefited. But perhaps it might have been better to build a lower level SS from the start and then let people decide if they want to spring for the 1SS or 2SS or SLE. And then the ZL1 could retain all the features but maybe GM could have done better f they didn't build as many.
Basically my point is that as good as the Camaro is, that might be the very reason it isn't selling. It is too good.
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Some very valid points. One of the things ford gets bashed on the most is it's option packages, but it could be a smart play in the long run. I agree with what hotlap says below, they should have offered the 1LT from the start. Hell now dealers are advertising pretty big bucks off of the Camaro. last I looked, they were advertising some 3-5K of SS models and some Zl1 and ZLEs were seeing 7-10K off.
Also, just my opinion they put to much effort into performance and styling over stuff like ergonomics and practicality. Yes these are not practical cars. but the bulk of the sales of these cars are from the base models where buyers may/probably care more about that stuff, because they don't say the performance or driving dynamics make up for it. Did this lead to the best performing Camaro ever and one of the best performance cars. Absolutely.
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Originally Posted by hotlap
or ...maybe they should have offered a 1LT from the start. 
After a life time of buying cars that immediately needed their weaknesses shored up, I’m enjoying a car that needs nothing.
Every press review slams the visibility and the low roof is noticeable when you first sit in one. It may not be an actual factor when driving but it never gets on people’s list.
Mustang price is also high now and sales are down across the segment. |
Yep. People may go in with a preconceived notion because it is mentioned in every review, people talk about it all the time. Then they get into the car with a preconceived notion the visibility sucks and on a ten minute test drive, likely not going to change that view.
Yeah the whole segment is down.