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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Gt500s are consistent low to mid 11 second cars, depending on traction and how percect things are they can obviously get into the high to mid 10s. There's a lot of guys running them and putting it out there, sometimes they mess up their launch with too much rpm as well, just as you have messed up your runs before. Some of the gt500 inconsistencies can also be attributed to driver error.

I haven't seen enough evidence to suggest they are consistent low 11s. I'd say more like mid 11s based on the testing alone. And there aren't enough examples of them doing 10s. Like I said, when people are spending an entire day at a track that they rented and are only posting 1 time then something is up. If they ran multiple 10s then they would be posting them along with the best run. But all we are seeing is the one run that is the best and it is a 10. No mention of the other runs. So the point, was that can all this be contributed to driver error? If you spend an entire day at a track rental and only get one run worth publishing then can you tell me something isn't up? EVen if it is driver error, there has to be something with the actual car that drivers cannot seem to get a consistent string of runs. THAT is what I'm saying. Yes, I had my driver errors. But that was one out of 3 runs and I posted each of those runs. Take the driver error out and my runs each day was within 2 tenths. We're not even seeing what the other runs these drivers are doing. A time slip would help us tell if it is something with the driver or the car.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Zl1s aren't super consistent either, from high 11s to to high 10s (like any high hp rwd car), but atleast the zl1 doesn't vary as much from drag strip to street surface. I don't believe the gt500 is super inconsistent but it does seem to have a wider spread than most other performance cars, even in the hands of experienced folks. I see zl1's run terrible times but its usually in the hands of rookies. Gt500s seem to have a wide varience even in experienced hands at the strip.

This is my point. And I appreciate that you acknowledged that. It seems that the fanboys will argue everything I say. So at least someone neutral is acknowledging the truth. GT500s are showing very wide variances even when driver error is not the cause. It could be due to a number of different things. But to act like it isn't a reality is a bit naive. ZL1s do tend to show some inconsistencies as well as all cars. But that typically is from driver to driver. An excellent driver in one ZL1 might do much better than a poor driver. But the poor driver 9 times out of 10 (figure of speech before someone jumps down my throat) will run consistently even if it is far off from what we typically see. I once saw a 5th Gen ZL1 driver run a consistent string of low 13s on the same day that I was running high 12s to low 13s. He was inexperienced tho. But he ran those times consistently even if they should have been in the 12s. So I fully agree with what you're saying but just with a footnote, if you will.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I know some of it is the nature of the beast with a 760hp rwd car(though to be noted, the better built zr1 doesn't suffer as bad as the gt500), but it seems the clutch durability and dct lead to some of these inconsistencies. I also heard that even on the stock tune the knock sensors are very active so it could be pulling timing and be extremely sensitive to enviromental and fueling variables. So while motortrend tried to say the gt500 didn't heat soak as much as the vette when they were fan girling over it, it obviously has its own inconsistency issues. Having said that, while they might exist, I haven't seen any 12+ second gt500s on any run.

Again, thanks for acknowledging what I've been saying all along. And I agree that there has not been any 12 sec runs...that we know of. If I ran a 12 in one of those cars I would tear the slip up and never speak of it. LOL!! Even tho, I would not even consider a 12 sec in a GT500 nor would I knock it if someone posted it as it clearly is not a 12 sec car. Even if some of these trolls try to insinuate that my ZL1 in my hands is a 12 sec car...you and I both can look at things rationally. Which is why I respect your thoughts on the matter. I would definitely not criticize the GT500 if someone ran a 12. Well, maybe a little, lol...just to get shaffe rolling hahaha!! But I can give it that much that a 12 definitely shows that something went horribly wrong. Hell, my very first outing in my 5th Gen Camaro 2SS/RS resulted in a 15.5. But it was below 40 degrees that morning on a Sunday with me being hungover and it was my first time ever at the strip in a manual trans. My second time out saw 13 flats. My third time out saw 12s. That same day an 800 RWHP supercharged Roush GT was running 13 flat...but at 135 MPH. He was on street tires.

Sorry for the long write. Anyway, there are a number of issues that could contribute to the GT500 being inconsistent. Ignoring these things does nothing positive. Heat soak has been an issue with Frdo's OHC engines from the start. As well as high intake temps and timing being pulled. OHC engines typically run hotter than OHV engines and also tend to retain that heat longer. So that could be the issue. Also the GT500s with all that power is not using eLSD like the ZL1s are. And the delay could be fckuing things up as well. It just might be that it has to be timed just right and one miniscule slip could result in a loss of several tenths. These are just guesses. But it does deserve some investigation as well as people being forthcoming about what they're running and not just their best time that particular day.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

We're mostly in agreement, gm clearly engineers superior overall products and ford routinely leaves a lot to be deaired on that front. I just dont think the gt500 is as crappy as you think it is, but I am also for the most part unimpressed lol.

Monster energy drink, vodka, rum, and Gin stepping in for Blaqwhole to write this part. BW will be back tomorrow morning with a headache...

One thing I do like about Ford is that they leave some money for the aftermarket to soak up. They definitely help keep those guys in business which leads to better parts for us to buy. GM does not leave a lot for the aftermarket to do. That is, unless you want to open the engine and replace the cam, heads, etc and spend upwards of $15K minimum. GM's products are very well engineered to the point that a blower swap or a blower install might net you a little but not much. But it will still make good use of that extra power. With Mustangs, a blower swap gets you like 200 RWHP. Tunes make a huge difference. But that power does not always seem to be efficient until around 100+ MPH. Different approaches. If I'm a tuner and modder than the Mustang is the way to go. If I want a better built car out the box and will leave it the hell alone besides little boltons then the Camaro is better.