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Originally Posted by hotlap
My opinion ...they didn’t want to warranty the PP2. They got all the media hype, build up, as a SS 1LE killer prior to its release and then thud (broken hearts). Not a track car ...but it’s got one good lap in it until it overheats and the tires are past their prime.
Same with the 2016 GT350 technology cars without coolers. Advertise it as a $49,995 most capable track car -every- then thud (Broken hearts). It’s not really a track car.
Now we have the CFTP. Ford leaves after the pre Lighting Lap and says they aren’t interested in pursuing lap times ...this year...when the A10 ZLE is there. Amazing that the ZL1 hangs with it.
Then track package options on Shelbys!?!? I just can’t take Ford seriously
...and I grew up in a Ford household. My father daily drove a 67 Mustang convertible when he passed when I was 10.
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They have had a ton of misteps this gen that is for sure. I think the whole no track pack thing on the "base" 350 was they wanted to try and steal headlines with the low MSRP at the time but just another fumble. Performance wise, they really botched a lot of things this generation.
It's funny, you grew up in a Ford house and are pro GM now. I grew up in a GM house and lean more Ford lol
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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
I think Frod spent soo many years (since 94) letting the aftermarket do their dirty work that they've fallen behind. They had all these different combinations of engines but they all made the same HP. Whether it was a turbo V6, NA V8, turbo 4 cyl, HO V6, supercharged V6, whatever it was, you still got that same 190 to 225 hp. And if you wanted to keep up with the 275 HP LT1 Z28 you had to spend a shit load of money on the Cobra and that is if you could even find one because they were limited. The Mustang became a car that if you couldn't afford the Cobra or didn't have the opportunity to buy it then you got stuck with a GT and had to mod the entire damn thing. And even modded they were struggling against the Z28s just like what happened from 2015 until 2018. And even today, you gotta throw coolers on the PP2 to hang with the SLE that comes with coolers. And you gotta step up to the exclusive and very expensive GT500 to hang with the much (relatively) cheaper ZL1. And let's not even get into the Vettes like the Z06 and ZR1 or the upcoming monsters GM has planned.
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Yep back then they definitely just let the aftermarket take care of things. I don't want to bring sales into it but it didn't seem to matter to them because they were selling them hand over foot. The F-body cars dominated performance wise, but towards the end of them the Mustang was outselling the Camaro and Firebird combined. From a business standpoint if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I don't think that is the case anymore, I think Ford just keeps messing up. Look at all the updates mustang has gone through since the Camaro came back. They care now, they just don't can't seem to get it right. Once Camaro came back and started stealing Mustang's piece of the pie their has been numerous updates
2010 all new sheetmetal for the S197
2011 Coyote and new V-6 debuts, new M6 and A6
2013 another face lift and slight bump in power
2015 S550, power bump
2018 Power bump, A10,
2019 PP2,
2020 Ecoboost high performance pack
And that's just the base and GT. I think it's clear they care now. They just don't implement it as good as GM does.