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Originally Posted by oldman

To me, I don't own one, the 1LE and then the Zl1 take it that much higher with a COMPLETE package, you get the suspension, you get the dampers, you get the axles, you get the high torque rating trans (auto or manual), you get the HD driveshaft, you get the cooling, you get the bigger brakes, you get the tire designed for the application. Complete, the options are just that, for comfort, looks etc, they have nothing to do with the performance of the vehicle or how it can be used.

Dodge is fighting an old platform and weight, Ford is fighting with their typical "pay to play" and this included the ADM, nothing new here. Heck even in 2004 ish, I was looking at the GT, I went down and said I don't mind waiting, I'm ready to order but I'm not paying above MSRP, heck they would even let me test drive a "GT"... yeah right I took my money elsewhere because the GT was so exclusive... I ended up with a Volvo R for a while (actually liked it). Everytime I go to a Chevy dealer, they want to know what they can do to get my business. I've been misstreated by the Dodge dealer too, I guess it is a different mind-set.

For a while tho Chevy dealerships were not willing to give anyone a break on the Camaros. But now when you look at things in hindsight, your 1st paragraph explains why. Because the Camaro came with all those features and the Mustang skimped out. People were trying to buy the SS at Base model GT prices. And really, those were the only Mustangs that were getting discounted...Base GTs, the V6s, and the EBs. The GTs that were optioned up were not getting those discounts applied. Just like the SS wasn't getting discounts. However people want cheap and all they care about is the HP rating. Which is why the Mustangs started to outsell the Camaro. But then when these dudes got on tracks or the drag strip or light to light and noticed they couldn't hang or they were going into limp mode or they were having OPG failures it started to become obvious why those Mustangs were that cheap and the Camaros weren't. It seriously took a fully modded GT with LTs and tune to keep up with a bone stock SS. But again, all people see is HP and price. So cheapo bottom shelf "435 HP" GTs and those 5.7 liter Challys started to sell more and more. I even bought a GT. And a year later ditched that thing after finding out how far behind it was and how much I would have to do and spend to get it up to where I wanted it. And it still wouldn't be able to hang with a ZL1 around a track.