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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

But that's just it, RP was the one who said the tires were "well cooked". So I will concede that maybe they were in the range where they're safe to drive aggressively on but are not gonna give the best performance. I automatically took it that he was saying the tires were bald or something. My mistake. That being the said I still don't think it was a fair statement to make without any info on how "well cooked" they actually were. I still feel like it was a cheap way for Ford to get out of losing. No other car arrived on tires in that condition except for the GT500. Suspicious.

I think Martin later on hits on the head. The tires were still good enough to track and drive on, but seems that Cup2s are hero tires based on some comments here and in the video. When new, warm them up a bit and get after it right away because that will give you your best time.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

*puts on tin foil hat*

Maybe there's an unspoken agreement between them and Ford. If the gt500 loses you spin a reason as to why, if not we won't loan you another car lol

A little far fetched, just like sending a car on shot (are well cooked shot or just not optimal?lol) to compete against it's rivals.

Eh, even it won by tenths or a second theres still that massive price gap. So I don't think it was a conspiracy theory. If anything this twister orange CFTP car has been making the rounds. I think it was the same car in the edmunds video. Others mention that throttle house is realatively new, so maybe Ford just cheaped out and sent the car right from the edmunds test to them thinking they wouldn't have the resources to really put it through a test like this.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

. It was based on who could get from point A to point B the fastest. Remember how your buddy GSJ, before he got himself kicked outta here, kept insisting that on the streets the GT500 was gonna beat the ZL1? Well that was what that test was trying to replicate...exactly what would happen on the street. And the GT500 got beat. They raced again off the track but on what looked to be a service road of some sort. It looked like an abandoned street next to a highway. They raced both cars and the GT500 STILL lost.

Yep. This was a straight up race to the finish line. GT500 lost.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

In some aspects I think the tire thing is being overplayed. On the other hand, I think this may be saying some things about Cup 2 tires. Listen to what Randy says on the video. He says the tires are cooked. Yet he still drove on them, so I doubt “cooked” translates to “bald” or “unsafe”. Either of those two conditions and we’d have no video because he would not have driven it. He goes on to say that Cup 2 tires get their best times when they are brand new, after a couple warm up laps, then they trail off. I took this to mean that he knew he wasn’t gonna get the best time he could from the GT500 because the tires, though still safe were beyond the narrow band where they would deliver optimal performance.

So what does all this mean? It seems to me to mean that unless a CFTP is running on hours old Cup 2s, it’s a drivers race with a ZLE. Most likely, the mass on the CFTP accelerates the wear on Cup 2s, so again, the CFTP would be an absolute beast on fresh Cup 2s and then substantially slower after only a few laps. Think about the PP2 situation. Track star for a couple laps, until the lack of sufficient coolers kicks in. Now the CFTP seems to be setting up as a car with awesome cooling capability, but with short-lived tires.

What he said ^

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It hasn't beaten any of the Supercars it was supposed to "kill". The Ferrari destroyed it. The GT3 beat it. The C8 Base and Z51 beat it in the quarter mile. The ZL1 beat it in the quarter mile based on time and distance. The RE beat it in a roll race. The ZLE beat it around a track. The old ZL1 time was faster than it around a track. I swear it has more losses than wins. They won't put it up against a RWD FE American car with similar HP...ZR1...because it will lose at everything. They won't put it up against a C8 Z06 because it will lose at everything. And when the C8 GS/Z06/ZR1 shows up they are not gonna match it to those either. The only car it has managed to beat at everything is, surprise surprise, the GT350R...which is more expensive than the Base GT500 if that makes any damn sense. And I'd bet the R will beat the Base GT500 around some tracks. So what exactly was this car built for?

You're really sticking to that MT supercar killer comment huh lol.


Well now you are just picking and choosing to make the 500 look bad (which it has done on it's own lol) while ignoring the few times it came out on top

Both variants beat the C8 time around VIR, it has beaten the RE in 3 different drag tests(icons, Throttle House, Edmunds), beat the ZLE in the 1/4 in the C&D test, Edmunds test.

And I know you don't care which car they choose in the end because your a numbers guy. But 2 out of 3 of the big comparisons have all chosen the GT500 as overall winner lol So it has won at something hahaha.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The crown jewel of a generation plagued by mistake after mistake. Ford didn't take the 6th Gen Camaro seriously until it was too late.

I honestly think Ford did the best they could here. I'm not defending them by any means but this was the best they could do. My opinion here is that they spent too much time and money on a FPC engine that just didnt work out well.

They have struggled to build a competent chassis incorporating IRS and lower trim Camaros are giving the Mustang all it can handle and then some. The Camaro V6 1LE annihilated the GT PP1. The SLE is so close to the 350 Ford won't even allow a comparison. They have had to go back and refresh the 5.0 to compete with the SS and develop a PP2 (on personal time) to compete with the SLE. All of that costing valuable time and money.

And now this. The ZL1 and ZLE are beating the 500 at everything but roll racing.

Given the chassis disadvantage and everything else, Ford did the best they could. In any other generation this car would be a clear winner.

That's a pretty fair stance