[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

If you're saying the SS 1LE is an SS and then claiming it's better times on average (multiple 12.3 tests for the 1LE but not SS), then I suppose we need an SS*?

I was saying the A10 GT is 0.5 sec. faster than the GT M6, not M6 SS. Sorry for not clarifying (I forgot to write GT after that particular M6).

The 2018 M6 GT consistently has trapped 115 mph, except for the PP2 which does trap lower (113-114 mph) because of the slight additional aero mods. and fat (305) front tires, hurting the aerodynamics at speed. The M6 SS or SS* has trapped from 113-116 mph (or that one car that hit 118 mph). With multiple base SS tests under 115 mph.

My whole point of all of this is to dispel the myth here that any SS is capable of max. performance. I will cede that the M6 SS will in general have a slightly better e.t. in the 1/4 mile than the M6 GT (except the convertibles, which are tied at 12.7 and the GT vert. with a better mph). But the SS is simply not consistent enough to claim that the M6 SS is just as capable as the auto SS, unless you trim it out with the 1LE. Are you buying the 12.5 @ 113.4 mph SS (per R&T; note in a previous post you said you haven't seen a published time in the 113 mph range for an SS, even though I had already quoted it), or the 12.3 @ 118 mph SS (unlikely, since there was only one of those)? It is fact that multiple major publication tests have achieved 12.5 sec for the M6 SS and multiple tests under 115 mph for the base SS M6. That is not as fast as the fastest A10 SS test (12.2 by one publication, unlike the GT* which has 12.1 from two publications). But again, 12.5 is nearly as fast as the other A10 SS test of 12.4 sec. from MT - so which do you want to choose? They are closer to each other than the GT, but there's evidence that a base M6 SS is slightly slower than an auto SS, on average, dispelling the myth that any SS is capable of max. performance.

If a 115 mph M6 GT rolls up next to a 113 mph SS, the GT will likely win that roll race unless the SS gets a big initial jump. If a 115 mph M6 GT rolls up next to a 116 mph SS in a roll race, the winner will likely be whoever gets the jump, since we know the M6 GT does better at high speeds than the SS.

And yes, I understand the trans. argument of "it is what it is". Doesn't mean there wasn't a bit of performance likely left on the table with the gearing choices in the M6 GT.

Anyway, all that to say, the SS M6 and auto are close, but maybe not identical as claimed, given the multiple test results.

And yes, the M6 GT is slower than the GT*, but let's not pretend it is a slouch. It still consistently traps 115 mph, which isn't slow.

Now I feel like I've beaten a dead horse. I like all the cars, contrary to what some of you may believe.

Here's another question: In the Olympics, if you were competing in 2 events, would you rather be 1st in one and 4th in the other, or 2nd in one and 3rd in the other? Frankly, I'd rather get the gold and settle for 4th in my 2nd race, than a silver and bronze finish, with no gold. That is sort of what we're talking about here with the GT* and M6 GT vs. A10 SS and M6 SS.

Where do you get that the 1le is the ss*? It's not any faster than an ss, 12.3 has been achieved by a major publisher for both. The ss 1le is not faster, it gets the same or slower according to MT. If anything your m6 GT times need to have a *. Which one of those 12.6 is a non pp1 or pp2 base GT m6? Zero.

No one is saying the GT m6 is a slouch, it's plenty fast but it's not as fast as an m6 ss. An m6 ss on its best day is only .1 slower than an a10 ss and .2 slower than an a10 gt*. You're trying to pick and chose times, plenty of ss's/ss 1le's have gone 12.3 by two different publications just like the a10 pp1 12.1.

You're beating a dead horse because you keep claiming cherry picked numbers to fit your narrative. The fact is that an SS or ss 1le m6 can do 12.3, a GT pp1 a10 can do 12.1, and an a10 ss can do 12.2, all proven by major publications. The a10 pp1 GT is the fastest by a small margin. The ss m6 is close to both of those autos. You say the pp2 traps less because of aero big tires but somehow think the ss 1le gets faster from extra drag and rolling resintace.

Food for thought since you like to catagorize the 1le as something extra, even though it has all the disadvatages of the pp2; the gt m6 pp1 and 2 can do 12.6, at no point have we seen what the base GT m6 can do. I'm suspecting it's not much slower but probably a tenth behind and maybe an mph or two behind.

In youre scenario, when a 116 GT m6 pp1 rolls up on a 116 ss or ss 1le it's going to lose because it's going to lose the initial hit if reaction times are equal. However when it's those 114 pp2s or unknown speed non pp GT m6s, they will lose by more.

There is no myth about all ss's being able to achieve max performance, those slower times could have been due to numerous variables. Ofcourse an m6 car will be less consistent in their times. Time of year, temps, drivers, in theory all ss's are capable of the best times because they're all built equally unlike the GTs. There's not even any data on the m6 GT non pp1 cars, you're only claiming pp1 times and trap speeds. What's gonna happen when a regular mustang rolls up.

For what it's worth, I love all the American muscle cars. I know we argue and split hairs here, but I have nothing against mustangs. Great cars, but facts are facts.