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Originally Posted by oldman
I do understand, what you are not getting is the C8 is a step beyond the C7 and part of that is the "doing the own driving" can't shift fast enough period end of the story. It is a combination of mid-engine and the DCT that makes this ride a full second or more faster than a very similar engine in an SS.
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A conventional 3-pedal MT would be able to shift fast enough for me. I've never been into abusively banging gears. But maybe I will run that sim.
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I also don't think you have any understanding of the complexity of the mechanical linkage needed to put a manual shifter in front of an engine/transaxle combination. I do drive and sometimes race my bro's aftermarket turbo Boxster flat 6. My 23 year old Integra (direct linkage to the trans via rod) shifts a million times better than the Boxster. IMO if Porsche can't get the shifter to feel even OK after what 70 years or something. There is hope GM is going to get something even remotely better than terrible.
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Wasn't it me who even brought the shift linkage issue up (in this thread)? Of course I have some understanding. I spent too many years doing the structural kind of engineering to not recognize that it would not be a simple task.
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I knew you would, it was meant as a compliment. 
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Thanks.
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Please Norm, now you are killing me. It took Ford what 30 years or something to copy the 3 link + Panhard rod from a Camaro?
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Nice try, and not too far off. The 3rd and 4th gen Camaros used a torque arm with its PHB, which isn't the same thing. I'm not putting the F-bodies down by that, as they were miles ahead of the Fox-body in the handling department. Me, I've always wondered if Ford was listening in to a few stick-axle suspension discussions we were having over on Corner-Carvers back in the early 2000's time frame.
I don't want to run down this side topic any further here. Let me put the rest of my thoughts in a PM.
Norm