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Old 07-01-2019, 07:40 AM   #137
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Originally Posted by Gunkk View Post
BMW is German. They import 100% of their hydrocarbon fuel, a huge drain on their economy so they have a much greater incentive to pay huge sums for finite supplies of rare earth electric storage elements.

You just valided my point on the impossibility of using lithium-based electric storage for all vehicles.

Ever witness, or drive in the midst of a large scale hurricane evacuation? 5 million vehicles all running out of fuel at 300-500 miles. Every pipeline at max and every fuel tanker truck within 1500 miles pressed into 24/7 service. Even then 90% of fuel stations are bone dry, and that’s before the storm hits and cuts off power. Now try to recharge all those same vehicles as electric at ~250-300 miles. You can’t carry a jerry can of spare electric power for your Tesla.

There will always be other solutions to electric, and those solutions will include liquid based hydrocarbon fuels.

And no, while I’d love to go back 30 years and repeat my twenties in the middle of the modern muscle car horsepower wars, I’m content with where I am.

LOL, not sure how I validated your point.

I don't think "known" lithium supplies are any more fixed than the worlds oil reserves. They discover more every day.

Also BMW's comments have very little to do with Germany being and oil importer (thank God or WWII may have had a different ending). They sell huge volumes of cars and SUVs in the US and China as well the ROTW.

I'm very happy you are content where you are. But it's changing whether we like it or not.

Oh and you don't even touch my concern which is what do we do with the batteries when they are dead. In fact I'm only slightly frightened with what happens to the simple batteries in today's cars. For those that say recycle, the last report I saw was that was financially upside down.

And for those that think GM is ahead of infrastructure if they make an EV Camaro?

https://electrek.co/2019/05/28/gm-ev-charging-network/

That too is happening whether we like it or not.

All that being said, GM needs to do something wildly different with a Gen7 if they resurrect any such program or nameplate. At a minimum it will either go for lower volume more profitable design and replace the front engine Corvette. Corvette is profitable at sub 20,000 unit sales. But that's also why it's composite not steel. Or they make it a more approachable coupe. As we've discussed, we don't have sales for male/female. My guess is (an educated one) women are less interested in "BAD A$$ 'MURICAN MUSCLE". Or, simply take in a totally new direction. A direction that invites even Californians to be interested. A direction that make Elon Musk go, "holy crap!!!". GM has better engineering that Tesla.

No clue, but anything other than delayed is bad. Cancelled? Shelved? That means no future. They'll just run out the Gen6 until it's not worth assigning engineers to keep it going (sustaining activities).

And likely this is all because someone who did know something talked to someone who shouldn't. Is it true? Half true? Opinion? Don't know.

But I'm guessing the Camaro is currently selling half or less of the business plan it was based on. And when leadership probably went for capital appropriations (that would be now for a 2022/23 program) they were probably denied as the current car was a financial disaster.

Also from a historical point, about 8 years ago GM launched a DUD of a Malibu. The response? Get every one aligned on a near impossible 18 month pull ahead of the NG Malibu. For the Camaro that does not seem to be the case.

Could all be BS, a ruse or a simple distraction. But based on what we know, it's not positive.
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