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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
I believe it was a GTR and it destroyed the ring. It was built...but in it's defense, it was raining that day and they still put up a phenomenal time. I think they put up the 4th best time...in the rain. I think...
Back to Ford. Even if they never did any of this with times or whatever they also didn't come out way ahead of time talking about how the car isn't built for this or that. It's their statements that has me thinking they're trying to duck. If it was just business as usual then they wouldn't need to come out with all these statements.
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OK I see where you are coming from. I guess for me since they haven't really ever done it in the past it's not that big of a deal for me.
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Originally Posted by hotlap
I’m just asking that Ford fans apply the same standard to the GT500 as you did the ZL1. You said ...of course the base ZL1 should beat the GT350R, look at its power advantage. The GT500 will have an identical power advantage over the ZL1.
We all know that’s not going to happen because power is only part of the equation. A ZLE would put laps on a GT350R. You’re all hoping the GT500TP can eek out a win against the ZLE even with a large power advantage.
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Well I believe at the time we saw that head to head coming, we had seen how good the SS 1LE was on a track already correct? I believe many probably based that logic on well if the SS 1LE is this good, adding extra power to it is only going to make it fast becuase if the ZL1 wasn't faster than it would have been a failure
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Originally Posted by waterman
VIR Grand Course layout, production car record;
2019 ZR1 ZTK: 2:37.25. Driver, Jim Mero; occupation, ride and handling engineer. Cost $135K+.
2018 Ford GT: 2:38.62. Driver, Billy Johnson; occupation, professional race car driver. Cost $475K+.
Different day, yes. Different conditions, likely yes. GT mid Autumn 2017, ZR1 early winter 2018, likely 2-3 months apart. And yes, this was not officially posted by Ford. Yet Ford could and did not block it's release either. Too busy boasting about accidently beating the Viper ACR MkV's record.
Just saying.
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That's the difference. When GM sets a lap record, or posts a blistering fast time you get an official statement/something official from GM. You don't get that from Ford that's the difference
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Originally Posted by ST1LE
I dont think anybody looking at what Ford has done this Gen would draw the conclusion that Ford was trying to compete, and that is the intended message you responded to.
Ford is doing what needs to be done to sell cars, and they are kickin tons of ass at that. Performance clearly is not the top priority for a Mustang buyer, and Ford knows that. They have executed the goal of selling Mustangs extremely well.
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And that's the ultimate goal is to sell vehicles
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Originally Posted by newmoon
I agree with all of this to some point. The PP2 can run with the 1LE as reviewed, although for very limited laps. Failure on Fords part for not including coolers.
I am sure they had a valid financial reason not to do so, including not stepping on the 350s toes. Now that the 19 GT350 includes significant improvements to make it faster, which will separate it from the PP2 and 1LE, you may see Ford decide to include the coolers on the PP2.
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The valid reason is this.
GT500 got delayed, GT350 production extended, GT PP2 basically gets trickle down everything minus voodoo and trans, PP2 gets to close to GT350, PP2 gets handicapped, 2019 GT350 gets upgrades to tires, aero, and magenride tuning to widen gap between GT350 and GT PP2. GT500 arrives and GT350 can ride of into sunset, PP2 can hopefully get properly equipped with coolers and not worry about out lapping the 350 because it will be retired