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Originally Posted by fastball

Why? Why exactly would a full electric Camaro be so cool? I don’t care if it goes 0-60 instantaneously. Electric takes ALL the fun out of it. An electric car is the same whether it’s a Tesla, Camaro, or Nissan. There’s no personality to the car. There’s nothing unique. There’s nothing to look at or work on when you open the hood or go underneath. It’s an electric motor and batteries. Big ****ing deal.

Listen to my electric motor when I fire it up

You and protovack are carrying on a very intriguing conversation. I understand where you are going with your argument and wholeheartedly applaud the American spirit you represent, minor fallacies and exaggerations aside. To me, electric cars feel like theme park bumper cars that are really fast off the line.

Number 3 did make a valid point in that your beef is not actually with electric cars, however, I also see them as a(nother) manifestation of stripping freedoms from people, not negligibly because future electric powertrains are invariably mated with increasing self-driving capability, which will then invariably imply centralized monitoring and control, if only for "optimized routing, resource usage and traffic patterns" or "ensuring better highway safety and zero fatalities". These aren't unworthy goals in themselves, but I don't believe in surrendering responsibility, liberty and control to gain some safety.

(As a side note, I'm from Eastern Europe, and during the first four decades of my life I spent there I never even once thought of cars and driving as anything interesting or beyond "point A to point B", in fact I had to think about how to even pop the hood on my cars with their meager 1.2-1.4L engines that I considered more than sufficient.

Here, as I feel, the car culture is still permeating society and is more than palpable, I fell in a very surprising love with it, and would very much hate to see cars become appliances. Some may say resistance is futile, but then no freedoms are ever awarded, they're always fought for and often come at a high price.

Hope this is still okay to post and pardon me for the litte digression. Oh, and I had to check wikipedia to find out who Yanni is, but my taste in music is more diverse than most hardcore types would approve of. And I have the A8 on my 2SS, even though I drove nothing but stick back in Europe. People are complex )