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Originally Posted by Martinjlm
We could both be wrong. Taking it off CD6 and leaving Explorer on it makes little sense. Unless they changed their mind on Explorer going RWD. And Aviator. I think in the last post I suggested Aviator would stay FWD. It goes as Explorer goes.
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/linc...concept-facts/
According to that the Aviator will be RWD. There was another article that mentioned an up close look of the IRS looked like it borrowed a bit form the S550. So From what I have read. It looks like the Explorer, Aviator and Mustang will share a platform.
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Originally Posted by torqueaddict
If the 'daily' part is mostly about ergonomics, visibility and storage space for an owner, then they bought the wrong car, plain and simple. The Camaro was designed around the 'driving' part. If the owner couldn't live with the other 'shortcomings', they should have moved on before purchase.
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True, but I suspect that can also steer people away. Try to remember the people that buy the base and mid level models probably care more about that stuff than the full performance.
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Originally Posted by MEDISIN
Difficult to factor in revenue from fleet as I really have no idea what trim and options are sold and at what price. Anecdotally when I get a rental Mustang it is always a V6 whereas Challenger and Camaro are a mix of V6 and V8.
It's the only part of the story we'll ever know. Very few at GM or FoMoCo could even give you accurate profit margins on models/trim levels.
Also true, which is why I don't think ATP really tells us a whole lot other than what consumers are paying
Cars.com lists 16k new Camaro's, 14k new Mustangs and 12k new Challengers for sale. Bump Camaro fleet sales up to Mustang/Challenger levels for a few months and the inventory difference is moot.
Dig a little deeper. Cars.com still lists 2015, 2016, and 2017 NEW models for both Camaro and Mustang. If we just look at 2017 Models, according to cars.com Mustang has 636 2017s still listed for sale. Camaro has 3,930. 2018 Camaro Production started in June of 17 I believe.
That tells me they anticipated selling more, and it's not moving as well as anticipated
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...31936&zc=60634
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...31936&zc=60634
They've continued to improve the cosmetics, and the drive trains are no slouch despite the aging platform. More room, comfortable ride, broader appeal. Drop the Camaro price $2,600 to the Challenger average and I suspect the retail volume would be a toss-up.
Fair point
You mean like ALL sedans are struggling? Best bet is to build a Cayenne fighter on Alpha to get some volume 
hahaha, yes all sedans are struggling
I suspect they are far more focused on rolling out new CUV's to meet market demand. There will always be a niche market for performance cars even though they are not wildly profitable (except 911 lol).
I wouldn't consider any of the pony cars "practical" daily drivers but the compromises we make for love... |
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No pony cars aren't the most practical daily drivers, 2 of the 3 in the segment make much better cases for it though