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Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro
GMs reply will not be a higher HP car. Or necessarily a faster one.
It will just be a Better car.
Better features. Better Ride. Better Handling. Better weight.Better Price.
Availability and lower price.
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Exactly. Balance!!
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Originally Posted by lt4camaro
The ZL1 from day one was competitive to a hellcat in the 1/4 mile but I do believe the Hellcat would beat it more than it Lost. Roll racing the Hellcat had it. So for the majority of street used vehicles, what good was a 1LE. What bragging rights did the non 1LE ZL1 have. Now the Hellcat is further ahead with 797 horse and we know the 2020 MY GT500 is going to hurt the ZL1 in its present state.
Move down to the SS, That is now the underdog for the MY 2018 compared to the Mustang GT and maybe even the SRT 392 challenger at 485 horse.
Sales have tanked, yeah Camaro doesn't need to do anything...
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Triple threat. GM makes the most well balanced cars. The ZL1 is included. Dodge took an old platform and threw a $25K+ engine in it. It is good for straight lines and that is it. And even at that you have to invest money in tires and possibly a driveshaft to use that power effectively which in some cases ended in a voided warranty for some individuals. Ford did the same thing. They built a car that could corner well and do nothing else. It too had a $25K+ engine, $16K CF wheels, and nothing else to justify it's price tag. GM's reply was to build a car that could do everything well and in the process they built a car that could beat the Shelby on a track, beat a stock HC in the quarter mile, and costed less than both those cars while offering full options and features that neither of those competing cars have. The LT4 engine is a $14K engine which is $10K less than the HC and Shelby engines. So add $10K to the ZL1 and then what? It would be more expensive than the competition and well out of the reach for the majority of it's fan base and it would elbow in on Z06 price territory.
But anyway, back to the performance aspect. The HC can beat the ZL1 ONLY in a roll race and ONLY after getting up to speed. The Shelby can't beat the ZL1 in anything at all. So we have a car that loses marginally to the HC in one aspect while convincingly beating the HC AND the Shelby in every other remaining performance category, lol!! What more do people want? The Hellcat is on an unchanged platform. It came out for 2015 which was the end of the 5th Gen Camaro. We are now in the 6th Gen Camaro while the HC still remains unchanged except for a more powerful version of the same engine. Meanwhile GM is working on the 7th Gen which will be an even better balanced and more powerful Camaro. And the Hellcat will probably still be the same at that point. And nobody still knows anything detailed about the Shelby which probably won't even be out for 2019, lol!! SO the answer isn't to just throw HP at the car. Besides, I don't think anyone wants to bang heads with Dodge in the HP department anyway. The answer is the same as it's always been. Build a better balanced triple threat Camaro.