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Originally Posted by ST1LE
I am assuming you do not feel the high revving engine characteristics are exciting, and my opinion that they are is what you are disagreeing with. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, I didn't make any comparisons as to what is better etc, so I think that is what you meant by your post and is how I will attempt to reply.
I think I would agree with you on your assessment of the Coyote, one because you actually owned one and would know, and two because I never really enjoyed the GT's I test drove. I thought my experience was ruined due to the MT82, but as we all know there is more to the experience that just the transmission so maybe the engine didnt have enough joy to compensate the crap transmission.
I would not say one is better than the other, because they are so different that they are almost opposites in how and when they deliver power and excitement. My LS3 was very heavily modded, basically everything but FI, and while I loved it......the thrill was over around 6500 RPMs. To me, the thrill of the down low grunt of the LS/LT motors is extremely exciting, and perfect for city driving as all the power and torque is usable around town. I also wonder if my current love of the M3 is partly due to how different and new the feeling is compared to my LS3.
I am not really sure tbh, and need to extend my experience I think. All I know is, I have owned my M3 for as long as my LS3 1LE, and would never go back, but that is mostly because my experience is in the Gen 5 platform I think.
If I could justify it financially, I would love to have a manual 1LE or ZL1, AND an E90 M3w/DCT so I had a practical 4 door with the high revving characteristics of the S65 and a fun torque monster with an amazing Tremec 6 speed manual. That to me, would be the perfect compliment and a garage that would never need upgrading.
It really is sad the GT350 has SO many issues, but not just issues but catastrophic issues costing 10's of thousands of dollars to deal with out of warranty. I say that because I think they are beautiful, sound amazing, have a great transmission and suspension set-up and what I assume is a world class high revving engine experience.
I am not sure if I have really sad much of anything except give my opinion, so back to our regularly schedule program hahaha.  |
Here is my personal experience/opinion on this subject:
When I was young, before I could drive (about 14), one of my best friends bought a YZ100 two-stroke dirt bike. We rode the crap out of that thing, and it was fun. It was a nice light bike, but it didn't produce even a hair of power until you make it scream like crazy. All the power was up top. So, in order to drive it, the throttle was pretty much useless. You either had it fully open or fully closed, and you drove the thing using the clutch, and with gear changes. And by clutch, I mean, if you were in too high a gear, you could just feather the clutch (pull the clutch to allow the RPM's to climb sky high, then slowly release and engage that power). If you did this, it would go pretty fast. But, it was a LOT of work. It was constant gear changes, and clutch modulation. The throttle could have just as well been an on/off switch.
But then a few years later, he bought a 4-stroke 250 enduro bike. That thing had power throughout the RPM range, and now, all of a sudden, you could drive using the throttle. It was an amazing wake-up. It felt SOOOO much more powerful than the YZ. Sure, gear changes helped, and it did produce more power up top, but you could control things with just the flick of the wrist. It was an amazing difference. All of a sudden it felt so easy to go fast. On the YZ100, you had to work your a$$ off to get the thing to go, but the enduro could go without much effort. I loved that.
To me, the YZ100 was like a riding a donkey. You had to kick it and beat it, and threaten it's life just to get it to go, and when you did, the legs were going like mad, a million miles an hour, just to get up to speed. The enduro was like a thoroughbred race horse. It could go fast without all the fuss. It had a nice long stride, and so much power, and took very little coaxing to get it to go fast. It WANTED to go.
I guess those experiences just followed through to my preference here in this discussion. If I have to downshift, and wait for the engine to get to the sweet spot, you've already lost me. I feel like I am doing all the work, not the car.
I love how with this LT1, I can go to pass someone on the highway, and there is no need to downshift. I just control it with the throttle, and the car just leaps forward like a thoroughbred race horse without breaking a sweat. I'm not talking about lugging the engine either. You don't need much throttle at all. It just goes. And on the track, there is power everywhere. Sure, you will be a bit faster keeping things near where the engine produces peak power, but if you don't, the car still goes amazingly fast. You shift when you want to, not when you HAVE to. It's hard to make a mistake, because the wide power band is very forgiving.
I guess I just like a riding the race horse better than the donkey.