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Originally Posted by Rayfield
Yeah, my last turbo 4 was a fairly-modified WRX wagon, putting 320 torque to the wheels. It was a blast, handled well, could do family duty well, was basically a "swiss army knife" of a car. Honestly, I miss it.
We'll part ways on that one..the sound my 6.2 liter makes is intoxicating, the way the rumble of my completely-decatted boxer in the WRX was. And it is both a muscle car and a sports car. Such a great chassis.
It's all good, as said, the V6 Gen6 is a fine sports car, and I get why people would buy it. The V6 Camaro's from my formative years sucked..what we have now is so much more.
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How did you like the WRX? I was considering it, but I figured the Alpha platform would totally smoke it.
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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
I'm going to push back a little here. "Stance" seems to have become code for "conforming to a appearance conventions selected by others for appearance sake alone". No matter if it's completely contrary to what you'd do purely for performance, it's what you gotta do or else you're gonna be the outsider looking in. But that rules out creativity and gets in the way of actually making things function better, so it's pretty much the antithesis of a sports car in my book. When I see that term used to describe something in the 'Pro-Touring' world, the first thought to cross my mind is "good grief, another wanna-be <facepalm>".
I suspect that the 'handling' side of your perspective is closer to the English perspective of 50 - 60 years ago, where the roads were mostly not straight and where nimbleness as a car characteristic was prized. Most US domestic enthusiasts tend to see this from the other direction, where nimbleness traditionally wasn't given much value (and certainly not when compared with the appeal of big engine displacements/big power/roaring exhausts/screeching tires). It's still an uphill battle.
FWIW I'd pick the smooth wail of a free-revving V6 over all of those sounds associated with a turbocharger every single time. Even, I think, over the mildly choppy rumble of a crossplane V8, now that that sound has become the hallmark of lifted pickups. Over a proper flat-plane crank V8, probably not - but you should realize that 'proper' excludes the current GT350's Voodoo unless maybe you're running it with true 4 into 1 headers.
In case you're wondering, I actually did live through the muscle car era (possibly all of it so far). I knew a couple of sports car race drivers back in the mid-1960's, so I think it might be more a mindset thing than generational to pick lightness and balance over bulk and brute power.
Norm
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Ahh, I see. All the roads on the island i live (hawaii) are twisty. I guess if you do a subtle camber for performance it’s alright, but when you’re tires are super crooked you’ve gone too far. You’re basically saying as long as it’s not aesthetic?
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Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis
What's it to you what his decision to buy was. Are you some kind of Fast and the Furious Vin Diesel Street racer that's just one bad ass mother f***** that needs to come here and s*** on guys because they have a V6.
The V6 is good man real good if you can't handle that that's on you
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I think he just can’t handle the fact that technology has come a long way. Instead of accepting it, he’s hiding from it.
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Originally Posted by SecondZ28
I don't understand how the term "sports car" keeps getting thrown around? Just because it's a V6?
The blown 3.8 was only rated at 240 hp, the 303 hp models had the LS4 V8
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I keep using the term sports car. When it can put down almost 1G on the skid pad, and only weighs 3400ish pounds, what else would it be? Those are seriously incredible numbers. Plus, the V6 has no extra muscle. It’s all useable and balanced. When the 370Z is considered an entry level sports car, then I consider a V6 camaro one because it beats it in almost every aspect.