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Old 01-28-2018, 10:29 AM   #1242
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Originally Posted by 2012 IngotSilver 5.0 View Post
I'm a long time Ford fanatic and have been driving/racing new GT's since 1982, and I agree with you 100%.

Car & Driver has been my go-to journal for consistent, reliable test results. They normalize for weather, altitude, amount of fuel, etc.:
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-c-d-test-cars

I take "private" drag test results with a serious grain of salt, as my years on the quarter mile track taught me a couple of things:
  • the only people who lie more than drag racers are fishermen ("It was THIS big!")
  • what some people consider as "stock" varies as much as what ice cream people prefer
I remember one guy explaining to me how is car was "stock", only to look inside and find the only thing remaining of the interior was the instrument panel and the driver's seat.

lol
I can't agree with this more


One thing I do not like about normalized testing, is it tends to favor traction limited cars, if definitely favors FI cars under poor DA conditions. For instance Sports Compact Car did a test of a JapanDomesticMarket STI, before the STI came to the USoA, I think the test was at Palmdale, where many / most of the Petersen pub test were done. Well after their adjustments the STI was both quicker and faster that I believe a LS1 Firebird benchmark (something like high 12s at 105 MPH for the adjusted STI) vs a 13.6 or so for their bench mark merican muscle, well no sorry, the 1998 up LS1 was easily a drivers race (advantage to a well driven LS1) vs the much improved STI (bigger engine, variable valve timing) when it came to our shores much later. Nutshell since many test were done at Palmdale and adjusted: FWD, FI, and traction limited cars all tend to perform better on magazine test vs what they actually could do at the local stoplight near sea level.

As an aside the same goes for FI dyno testing and correction factors, the CF was supposed to be very small like under 1.5% and applied to NA engines. When the fictional STD factor from a hub dyno is applied to a FI engine the results are less then meaningful. Swings of + 50 HP can easily be found. Note that what the actually applied CF is always removed from STD dynos runs cause some of them are laughable in the extreme.
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