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Originally Posted by SSfriendly
They don’t! The loss was expected. What we’re arguing about is the slander against the mustang for performing exactly as everyone expected. This has nothing to be about being “fair”, it’s about some of your asinine comments that because it lost it was somehow a failure…when it was never meant to compete in the first place. If you put a miata against a zl1 in a drag race…and the miata (expectedly) lost, would it then be considered a failure?
The 1LE had wider front tires, wider rear tires, a better track tuned suspension…and all of the camaro folk are hailing a win by GM and Fail by ford when the PP2 is sitting right now on dealer Lots ready to compete? Come on now, how do you not see the validity of this argument? If the PP1 was all Ford had for this model lineup….go ahead, tear it apart, but that’s not the case here is it?
The only reason the 1LE and PP1 were compared was because Motortrend in all their wisdom couldn’t wait 2 months to get their hands on a PP2, and decided they would get far more subscriptions ($$$) if they did this whole comparison twice.
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I don't think anyone really expected the PP1 to win against the 1LE on the track, but I bet MOST of the Mustang fans thought that it would win in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile. There was soooooo many Mustang trolls on this site arguing that the new Mustang was blowing away the Camaro in the 1/4 mile. But, once there were true same-day same-driver tests, even if it was Edmunds or on a dry lake bed, it became obvious that the Mustang closed the gap, but did not exceed the Camaro in the 1/4.
So, this H2H had a lot more to it than just Randy's lap time.
And let me give you my personal opinion on the subject: I expected a bit more out of the Mustang on track. No, I didn't expect it to beat the 1LE in a lap time, so that had nothing to do with it. You mentioned the Miata. Folks LOVE to take that to a road course, because it is fun to drive in the twistys. It almost won the Car & Driver Best Driver's car one year. But not because it was fast, but because it was a proper driver's car. But no one expects it to be faster than a Mustang or Camaro.
Watching this Mustang PP1 drive, and hearing the comments in the video show me that this car's body movements are all over the place on a road course or a windy road. Waiting for the rear end to come around and let the car set into the turn is horrible. It gives a ton of vagueness to the steering, and no feedback. Did you see the video? That body was like it was riding on a bouncy house, not a properly set up suspension.
And don't give me any of that, "well, the Mustang is a GT car" b.s. either. Why? Because, first of all, I have driven many BMW's (and other cars) that don't have all those issues, and ride more comfortably anyway. And that is WITHOUT Magnetic Ride Control. WITH Magnetic Ride control, you can have an extremely planted and sorted suspension with great comfort AT THE SAME TIME. That is what MRC does best. But, it is kind of wasted on the Mustang.
Watching that Mustang go around the track was like seeing a pontoon boat riding in rough seas. It was making me seasick. Even the base Mustang shouldn't do that, let alone the PP1, LET ALONE something with MRC.
That was very disappointing.
Now, I looked at some of the specs of the PP2, and here is a quote:
"Custom tuned MagneRide® dampers and quicker steering calibration provide better response. Other improvements over Performance Pack Level 1 equipment include a 67 percent stiffer rear stabilizer bar, a 12 percent stiffer front stabilizer bar, 20 percent stiffer front springs and rear springs that are 13 percent stiffer, all of which contribute to a more stable ride around corners with less body roll."
Hopefully this will settle the car down, and reveal some true potential. But, why should someone have to get PP2 with tires that are not very useful on the street to get a car that doesn't ride down the road like 'sitting on a stack of phone books on a water bed"?
And please don't tell me "comfort", because you can have both.