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Originally Posted by SSfriendly
Funny, the Camaro has never offered the variety of model lineups as the mustang. As of right now, the PP1 lines up with the SS, the PP2 lines up with the 1LE and the GT500 lines up with the ZL1. Ford doesn’t offer anything that lines up with the ZL11LE, but GM doesn’t have anything that lines up with the GT, Bullitt, GT350 or GT350R. And we haven’t even got to talking about Roush, Steeda, Salleen or Shelby.
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Never offered the variety of model lineups? What in the hell are you smoking?
To start, I'll exclude the aftermarket/co-op jobs.... let's just start with models...
Camaro - 1LS, 2LS, 1LT, 2LT, Berlinetta, RS, RS/SS, IROC-Z, RS/Z28, SS, ZL1, 1LE V6, 1LE SS, 1LE ZL1
You also have had every generation of Camaro EXCEPT the 2nd generation car be a Indy 500 pace car model as well.
Now, let's discuss those aftermarket jobbies...
Lingenfelter, Callaway, Yenko, Saleen, Nickey, Hennessey, SLP, Foose, and I'm sure I'm missing more too...
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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy
it worth adding that you can fix the performance shortcomings of the mustang through the aftermarket , but how do you fix the ergonomic issues of the Camaro?
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LOL @ Ergonomic issues.... What ones? If you give me the typical "you cant see out of it" response, I'm going to slap you. Adjust your mirrors and learn to drive. I've driven all 3 of the current muscle cars, and all 3 have the same issues. Sure, the Mustang/Challenger have better upfront visuals, but they all suffer from the same in the rear...
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Originally Posted by ST1LE
Yeah, this seems to be the case to me as well. GM should offer a more base GT style V8 option, that's much cheaper than the current base SS as well as more versatile(all seasons etc).
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GM did this with the 5th gen, it was called the 1SS....and while it sold well, more people bought the 2LT/2SS... My old 1SS was one of like 30 with the options it had, and only like 1 of 150 with the transmission/paint code/engine choice.
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Originally Posted by Bhobbs
Because the only thing unique to the 1LE is the wheels. Everything else was taken from another car.
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As I'm not 100% on the current 6th gen setup, I know with the 5th gen, there was a lot more unique items than the wheels. Different trans, suspension, gears, tires, wheels, etc...
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Originally Posted by newmoon
So is the ZL1-1LE a fail if the 500 smokes it in: 0-60, 1/8, 1/4, 1-mile, top end, street, roll, ride quality, comfort, etc, etc? You know all the stuff that is important in a street car, which is what you are purchasing. Or should Ford give all that up to make sure the 500 can run a Ring Lap?
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Well, I can't forsee it smoking it in much other than perhaps the 1/4 mile and perhaps top speed. Truthfully, as with the SS 1LE, I'd expect it to lose to a car unencumbered with track aero. Additionally, the standard ZL1 has already cracked 200 mph....and it is officially recorded at 198.3 MPH...
I'll add here as well, GM build two ZL1's...one for street...and one for track....although both can do either.... so really, the question is, what will Ford do? Go fast in a straight line...or hit a crowd on the first curve?
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Originally Posted by newmoon
Also is the present manual ZL1 or ZL1-1LE a failure because it can't match the straight line performance of the 13/14 GT-500?
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In what way? The current manual ZL1 (even with the TQ nanny issues) has produced on the Camaro6 list, an 11.6 1/4 mile time...which matched or bested most of the recorded times for the 2014 GT 500 from the magazines. We can certainly agree that people got faster times in the hands of private owners, but for the sake of discussion, it's pretty even. Add in the fact that the car really needs GM to either fix the nannies or fix it with a tune, and all of a sudden you have a car that's very much a low 11.1-11.2... very easy..