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Originally Posted by Bhobbs
Because the difference in dynamics doesn't really come into play when you driving home from the grocery store.
GM dropped the ball with the gun slit windows of the 6th gen. Sure, it looks fantastic, but it makes the car much more difficult to live with. Also, the packaging on the Alpha isn't great. The Mustang is a much more livable daily driver.
The Mustang has dominated in sales since the beginning. Clearly, Ford understands what people want in the car and builds that car.
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Eh - I don't buy that window thing as solidly as others. Of course it's a decision-making factor, like most anything. But it wasn't an issue on the 5th gen, and I just refuse to believe suddenly it's become a deal-breaker in the market....I think the bigger factor is price and options packaging, like you mentioned.
Nevertheless, I think you hit the reason Ford ignores this part of the car with that first statement...I'll bet that's their logic verbatim. Camaro Team seemed to be far more interested in building a sports car than a grocery getter.
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Originally Posted by F1FTY
I get the point he was making and you can see how going back to the fox body days GM has produced a better car, but my counter to that engine part is how widely used the Chevy small block V8 has been used over the last half century in racing.
When other OEMs stuff a Chevy motor into their race cars (Tanner Foust's Passat for example), you're doing something better than some others.
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Of courses - I agree completely. This same friend of mine described Chevy engines are "smart", and Ford engines as "dumb" at the time...commenting on the protection controls. I, too, believe Chevy engines are better.
The statement was just made to describe how GM seems to approach the entire package (for better or worse), whereas Ford typically focuses on the powertrain as the priority. Ecoboost, Flat Plane Crank...lots of money in marketing powertrain at Ford...
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
A term should be used here, called "preponderance of evidence". GM has said they targeted the GT350 with the SS 1LE. They said (in not as many words) that it was faster with their testing. They gave the car to many people to test. Every meaningful test done where the GT350 had posted a time, the SS 1LE beat, even matching the R on a few tracks, but I would agree a preponderance of evidence doesn't exist with the R, it's by all measures an even more track focused animal. GM wasn't reaching for the GT350R with the ZL1-1LE, they were going for GT3s, 488 GTBs, and the likes. Ford isn't stupid, they know this, they wont give the car to a test where they know it's going to be taken down by a much cheaper or faster car. The only reasonable conclusion is the Alpha chassis is significantly better, capable of higher performance at a given price point.
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