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Old 01-10-2018, 09:48 AM   #358
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Originally Posted by Nabush View Post
The thing is the Mustang is an in between the Camaro and the Challenger.

It performs as well as the Camaro/challenger in straight line (for the 2018 model), is slower on a roadcourse than the Camaro but faster than the challenger, but sufficiently fast and composed to give fun on a mountain road at a fast pace.

It’s more liveable as a daily than the camaro (don’t know for the challenger)

That’s why Mustang sells well, performance is good, accessible and sufficient for most people.
A common thing forgotten is the difference between the Mustang and Challenger in handling is actually in favor of the Challenger. The Mustang "can" outhandle it when equipped with the PP. The base GT (at least for MY15-17) was laughable in handling. Take a look at the tests between these two:

'15 Challenger R/T (not a Scat Pack)
skidpad: 0.89g
braking 70-0: 167ft

'15 Mustang GT (auto so no PP)
skidpad: 0.83g
braking 70-0: 175ft

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...al-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review

Just for reference on how terrible those numbers are. I give you a 4 door FWD sedan popular with senior citizens:

2016 Toyota Camry SE
skidpad: 0.83g
braking 70-0: 180ft

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...a-camry-review

Now of course you won't a track day comparison with any of those cars. And we don't know how much better the '18 base GT will be in handling, but the point remains. The Mustangs that sell the most, are the worst in overall handling. They will wallow and brake like a Camry and be outperformed by a 4100lb Challenger in the curves and braking. And we will probably never know how the new "18 base GT performs, b/c we only had one review for the '15-17's. And that was mainly b/c it was an auto. Ford is very careful about letting people know how much the base GT sacrifices for its lower price. Same thing happened with the base GT350.

So no Mustangs don't sell b/c the performance is good (since there are probably 10 non-PP cars sold to every PP). The Challenger has vastly more room and is the only one of the 3 cars that can actually comfortably fit normal Americans in the rear seats. So it's not accessibility that makes it sell either.

As for the Mustang being more liveable, it does have better storage than the Camaro. The seating position is more "normal" for those not used to sports cars. There is more glass to let in more light, which gives people the perception of better visibility. Something the Camaro does not have. Quantitatively, you would be hard pressed to "prove" more visibility in the Mustang. But the above mentioned appearance, is how most people perceive it regardless. Those things could be a driving force behind their sales, but I would point out the 5th gen Camaro was worse in those areas as well, but outsold the Mustang. So there's probably more "subjective" reasonings behind it. Or as I have long suspected, terrible packaging/pricing of the Camaro's non-V8 trims.
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